(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[NZ]SZ[19]KM[8.00]TM[3600]OT[25/600 Canadian]
GN[European Youth Go Championship 2013 under 20 board 1 round 5]PW[Pavol Lisy]PB[Frantisek Caha]WR[6d]BR[5k]DT[2013-03-10]PC[Budapest]US[Zoltan Kelemen]C[eurogotv4 [-\]: The participants have not arrived yet. THis time the second board is broadcasted by Eurogo.tv as it is more entersting than the epic battle between 6d and 5k
eurogotv4 [-\]: Lisy is hard to lose this champonship as he has beaten all three strong opponents
eurogotv4 [-\]: The participants have not arrived yet. THis time the second board is broadcasted by Eurogo.tv as it is more entersting than the epic battle between 6d and 5k
eurogotv4 [-\]: : Lisy is hard to lose this champonship as he has beaten all three strong opponents 
eurogotv4 [-\]: On board 2 you can see (live tv as well as KGS) Lukas Podpera vs Ali Jabarin deciding the 2nd place
ONIONKING [4d\]: lol cheater vs 5k, impending doom...
TuLy [8k\]: SVK Go! :)
Sheriffi [-\]: why du broadcast board 2?
eurogotv4 [-\]: both players are from the Slovak Republik but there the similarity ends...
Sheriffi [-\]: oh nvm
eurogotv4 [-\]: board 2 is much more interessting Jabarib vs Podprea for the 2nd place
TuLy [8k\]: Pavol is our best player, indeed
eurogotv4 [-\]: so broad 2 is broadcasted live on tv
eurogotv4 [-\]: by eurogotv1
Ootakamoku [2d\]: just imagine if the 5k wins, and you have not broadcast the game!
TuLy [8k\]: heh
TuLy [8k\]: where is this championship? 
eurogotv4 [-\]: the championshipis held in Budapest < Hungary
TuLy [8k\]: thx a lot
eurogotv4 [-\]: in a Sport Hotel at a wooden hill quiet place ,fresh air
TuLy [8k\]: hmm nice place...
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;B[pq]
;W[dd]
;B[pd]
;W[dp]
;B[fq]C[TuLy [8k\]: here it comes
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;W[cn]
;B[jp]
;W[pn]C[awe [2k\]: why have 6d and 5k been paired against each other?
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;B[np]C[eurogotv4 [-\]: the tournament system is a mixed Swiss McMahon beyond my comprehension
eurogotv4 [-\]: these 2 players remained with 4 wins
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;W[qq]C[TuLy [8k\]: I think, it's great pleasure to Frantisek plays against Pavol
He [2k\]: Is there a stream for this one?
eurogotv4 [-\]: the game Jabarin-Podpera for 2nd pplace now starts
eurogotv4 [-\]: it is live on Eurogotv1
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;B[qr]C[eurogotv4 [-\]: this game is solely on KGS
He [2k\]: ah I see
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;W[qp]
;B[or]
;W[qk]C[eurogotv4 [-\]: from the position i cant telll which one is 6d
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;B[fc]
;W[df]C[He [2k\]: well so far, only 16 moves
TuLy [8k\]: yes
TuLy [8k\]: I think, we ll see the difference
miao [6d\]: well w slightly bettter
eurogotv4 [-\]: although the lower right joseki is a littleoverconcentrated for black
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;B[qi]
;W[ok]
;B[jd]C[TuLy [8k\]: nervous? ^^
eurogotv4 [-\]: they look very calm
TuLy [8k\]: :)
TuLy [8k\]: that' s good
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;W[hc]
;B[cc]
;W[dc]
;B[db]C[Sur [2d?\]: why would they be nervous?
eurogotv4 [-\]: my first international tournament was in Bratislava, Slovak Rep. in 1978
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;W[eb]
;B[bb]
;W[da]
;B[cb]C[TuLy [8k\]: I dont think Pavol, but Frantisek, cause, they feel the chance or respect
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;W[ec]
;B[bf]C[keysersoze [?\]: a strong 5k
eurogotv4 [-\]: sorry it was then Czechoslovakia
Sur [2d?\]: chance? There is none
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;W[nc]C[TuLy [8k\]: chance to show his skill :)
TuLy [8k\]: against better playes
TuLy [8k\]: player*
Sur [2d?\]: it all depends how Pavol will play
TuLy [8k\]: yep, agree
Sur [2d?\]: so far he is very nice
BinX [?\]: pavol was pretty calm yesterday too in the early game
TuLy [8k\]: we are pretty proud abou him ^^
eurogotv4 [-\]: they say the territory should be counted at the end of tthe game
BinX [?\]: who said that ? 
keysersoze [?\]: the rules?)
BinX [?\]: once I've been told that when having 6 handi stones too
eurogotv4 [-\]: in this phase the task is to build up good attacking an ddefending positions
eurogotv4 [-\]: the quotation from some Japanese textbook i vant remeber exactly
BinX [?\]: ok
BinX [?\]: well, the player who told me that made me resigned this 6 stones game, so I couldn't disagree...
BinX [?\]: -d
eurogotv4 [-\]: These go proverbs you know by heart but is difficult to apply in real games
BinX [?\]: :)
eurogotv4 [-\]: it is the difference between dan and kyu players
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;B[oc]
;W[nd]
;B[pf]
;W[ld]C[TuLy [8k\]: l17?
eurogotv4 [-\]: my advice is K14
TuLy [8k\]: I was thinking about this choice too
keysersoze [?\]: k14 is floating not even denying white connection
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;B[hd]
;W[ic]C[eurogotv4 [-\]: black has solid terrritory so white connectiing on thyird line is no problem
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;B[id]
;W[jc]C[eurogotv4 [-\]: the black aim is to get strong shape in exchange for top territory
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;B[gd]
;W[qc]C[RhysD [9k\]: With high white stones on each side, I don't think black's group at H16 achieves much
shukaku [1k\]: b´s stones are just targets
eurogotv4 [-\]: imagine black P18 then L17
eurogotv4 [-\]: F18 is separatiing white
shukaku [1k\]: w has so much space to run
shukaku [1k\]: whileb is just getting weak
ONIONKING [4d\]: w didnt try to fight yet
ONIONKING [4d\]: when he plays h3 later b might fall apart
eurogotv4 [-\]: R16 is very shy and ends in gote
shukaku [1k\]: f17 needs a move to cut, whil w can move to life
eurogotv4 [-\]: Shukaku, show the ear-reddening move in this position
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;B[qd]
;W[ob]
;B[pc]
;W[pb]C[shukaku [1k\]: difficult, maybe there is none
shukaku [1k\]: but for b it was r16
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;B[rc]
;W[qb]C[TuLy [8k\]: d2
eurogotv4 [-\]: i studied 1 weak the ear reddening move, still loks like a mediocre move to me
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;B[fo]
;W[hg]
;B[jg]
;W[jh]C[eurogotv4 [-\]: Invasion R17 was a success for white gaining a few points
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;B[kg]
;W[ig]
;B[kd]
;W[kc]
;B[kh]
;W[ji]C[eurogotv4 [-\]: white does not start invading at the bottom until he gets strength in the center
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;B[nh]
;W[be]
;B[ce]
;W[cf]
;B[bd]
;W[bg]
;B[ae]
;W[fm]
;B[gm]
;W[fl]
;B[gl]
;W[gk]
;B[il]C[awe [2k\]: whats the highest rank b won so far?
awe [2k\]: looks like hes quite a bit stronger than your average 5k :)
eurogotv4 [-\]: that vision of 6 dan lacks from my game which can vision a moyo from nothing by some forcing mobes
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;W[hk]
;B[ff]
;W[fg]
;B[ef]
;W[eg]
;B[de]
;W[fb]
;B[gc]
;W[gb]
;B[bh]
;W[ch]
;B[ag]
;W[cg]
;B[bi]
;W[er]
;B[fr]
;W[dj]
;B[rj]
;W[rk]C[TuLy [8k\]: b is doing well, I think
Sessin [1d\]: b leading?
martin97 [1k\]: b will win :DD
awe [2k\]: i think w wins but not that much
eurogotv4 [-\]: even prof.1 dan beats 9 dan sometimes
martin97 [1k\]: here he won against 2k
Sessin [1d\]: lol
Sessin [1d\]: 1d vs 9d pro not that much
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;B[nn]C[Sessin [1d\]: sometimes its just a matter of rank policy etc
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;W[gn]C[Sessin [1d\]: but 6d vs 5k is massive
awe [2k\]: hes not rly a 5k though
houplipuf:  20 p
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;B[fn]
;W[hl]C[RhysD [9k\]: If white makes any significant inroads on the bottom, he has won
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;B[hm]
;W[im]
;B[hn]
;W[jm]C[houplipuf: here it is 
RhysD [9k\]: Yep. :-)
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;B[in]C[TuLy [8k\]: Pavol knows, what is he doing ^^
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;W[jn]
;B[jo]
;W[en]C[martin97 [1k\]: is c3 possible?
awe [2k\]: c9
tymak [2k\]: Caha is really strong czech 5k; in most european country he could bbe around 2k
eurogotv4 [-\]: L11 also big
power [3k\]: d2 
martin97 [1k\]: l11 sente
eurogotv4 [-\]: sorry my previous remark that Caha is Slovakwas wrong, 
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;B[ck]
;W[dq]
;B[rr]
;W[rb]
;B[rd]C[eurogotv4 [-\]: C3 and C9 were good guesses
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;W[ln]C[RhysD [9k\]: One was played, the other defended against. :-)
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;B[lo]
;W[lj]C[eurogotv4 [-\]: Score estimator: W + 13
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;B[om]
;W[pm]
;B[lm]
;W[kn]
;B[ko]
;W[mm]
;B[mn]
;W[ll]
;B[dk]
;W[ek]
;B[cj]C[eurogotv4 [-\]: i can surely tell  that black plays dan level in this game
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;W[di]
;B[pp]
;W[qo]C[gnos [4k\]: Are we in review?
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;B[bm]
;W[bn]
;B[cm]C[awe [2k\]: oh that explains
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;W[fs]
;B[gs]
;W[es]
;B[hr]
;W[rq]C[Weekend10 [4k\]: probably a misclick
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;B[sk]
;W[sl]
;B[sj]C[Liso66 [?\]: l7 is forgotten
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;W[rm]C[Liso66 [?\]: n8 l7 o8
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;B[ml]
;W[km]C[tymak [2k\]: pavol must be realy sure about his leading, becasuse SE dont thing so :)
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;B[nl]
;W[qj]
;B[rh]
;W[pi]
;B[ph]
;W[am]
;B[al]
;W[an]C[TuLy [8k\]: o14? 
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;B[bl]
;W[oi]
;B[ed]C[Liso66 [?\]: probably there was looong discussion with ali at night? :P
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;W[gf]
;B[ge]C[gnos [4k\]: What the heck is going on?
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;W[if]
;B[le]
;W[me]
;B[lf]C[eurogotv4 [-\]: play is fast
TuLy [8k\]: Is w leading?
Weekend10 [4k\]: no worries euro4
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;W[eo]
;B[ol]
;W[pl]
;B[ki]
;W[kj]C[ponno [9k?\]: dont trust se
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;B[dm]C[awe [2k\]: f4 forgotten?
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;W[dn]C[TuLy [8k\]: Frantisek plays well
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;B[fp]C[gnos [4k\]: It got the L&D right this time
TuLy [8k\]: Is n12 posible by W?
gnos [4k\]: When it gets L&D right, I'm sure it counts better than I do.
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;W[]
;B[sq]
;W[sp]
;B[sr]C[martin97 [1k\]: tuly of cousre but for what?
ram1 [-\]: why did white pass there?...
TuLy [8k\]: only for reduction later? .. probably?
gnos [4k\]: Funny
Weekend10 [4k\]: is it possible that frantisek is 5d, not 5k? :)
eurogotv4 [-\]: i give up
ONIONKING [4d\]: i guess pavol was a bit nice
gnos [4k\]: With no handicap against a 6dan.
gnos [4k\]: White must be phoning it in
TuLy [8k\]: no, SVK hasnt any 5d player :/
ONIONKING [4d\]: eurogo and chance you can get the moves on even if wrong order?
gnos [4k\]: What does that mean Tuly
TuLy [8k\]: what do u mean? :)
dabei [1k\]: this is a game between 6d and 5k?
Weekend10 [4k\]: apparently
gnos [4k\]: "SVK hasn't any 5d player" I mean, what implication should I take from that? What am I to infer?
dabei [1k\]: this 5k is just strong
awe [2k\]: theres no 5d ranked players in slovakia
ram1 [-\]: nobody is ranked 5d 
gnos [4k\]: That part I get
Weekend10 [4k\]: that the best player in slovakia is at best 4d?
ram1 [-\]: only 6d and then 3d nothing inbetween
gnos [4k\]: I see
TuLy [8k\]: when I watched the schedules with rank of Slovak rep., there was only Pavol as 6d and then, it was gap, and next it sere 3d players
Weekend10 [4k\]: oh hehe
gnos [4k\]: So, do they underrank people?
gnos [4k\]: That's what I'm getting at.
awe [2k\]: game still on?
TuLy [8k\]: Pavol is our best player, indeed
gnos [4k\]: So, even if underranked, Caha could not be more than 3d?
eurogotv4 [-\]: the game  ends abruptly by a mistake while filling dames
TuLy [8k\]: yes
Weekend10 [4k\]: :O
gnos [4k\]: So, with no handicap, white should win by a  landslide.
eurogotv4 [-\]: w + Res
TuLy [8k\]: what?
gnos [4k\]: He must be phoning it in.
awe [2k\]: what would the score have been?
gnos [4k\]: SE says B+1
TuLy [8k\]: b plays great game
ram1 [-\]: grats palko
eurogotv4 [-\]: in correct filling w+19 pts
awe [2k\]: ok
gnos [4k\]: You mean after dame are filled I take it?
TuLy [8k\]: congrats
gnos [4k\]: And with correct yose by both players?
eurogotv4 [-\]: Liisy says also that his opponent palayd danlevel, good game
eurogotv4 [-\]: w+19
gnos [4k\]: There must be a lot of underranking going on.
Liso66 [?\]: how long is frsantisek playing?
tymak [2k\]: not sure..he had pause for about year and last months he is geting stronger really fast
Liso66 [?\]: http://www.europeangodatabase.eu/EGD/Player_Card.php?&key=15686935
Liso66 [?\]: very nice! :)
jyka [3k\]: b resign ? why ? 
redreoicy [1k\]: he is far behind, probably
redreoicy [1k\]: that's normally the reason to resign
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