(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[5400]OT[20/600 Canadian]
GN[Czech Go Championship 2012 - board 1, round 6]PW[Ondrej Silt]PB[Jan Hora]WR[6d]BR[6d]DT[2012-10-13]EV[Czech Go Championship 2012]RO[6]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]AN[Pulcik]C[Laman [2d\]: the grande final
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes yes yes :)
DristorK [4k\]: is there Judith or Harry ?
Laman [2d\]: neither, Czech transcriber
DristorK [4k\]: for all 6 games ? :)
Laman [2d\]: 3 of them. Ivan Kostka, Ondřej Dlouhý, Michal Zubalík
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;B[pd]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Ondra has not come yet...
petarfelix [2k\]: what are the standings?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live videostream: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-Czech
Laman [2d\]: Hora 1st, Šilt 2nd. this is most likely to be the decisive game
muslinca [1k\]: it's off air
petarfelix [2k\]: are there standings somewhere online?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: info: http://goo.gl/W6pUM
Laman [2d\]: or http://www.egoban.cz/archives/13127
Pizon [1k\]: nice game
muslinca [1k\]: is the stream working for u?
blue [-\]: nope :(
DejMiPivo [?\]: no
huy [4k\]: nop
cutecunda: battle for 1st place?
petarfelix [2k\]: what is going on with jan simara? isnt he the european champion?
cutecunda: czechia has too many good players :)
cutecunda: Silta studied go in Japan
muslinca [1k\]: and in Korea
Laman [2d\]: Šimara is never successful at the Czech Championship, i don't know why
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;B[fq]C[TonyTiger [-\]: are simara and hora brothers?
Xpomacoma [1k\]: lol
huy [4k\]: no
cutecunda: yes, but different mothers, so different names
Xpomacoma [1k\]: nice nick, cutecunda :)
Laman [2d\]: they share their first names, not the surname
Xpomacoma [1k\]: that's enough to be brothers
Laman [2d\]: Jan = John, a very common name
Himiko [1k\]: up to 2d Laman, congrats!
EuroGoTVCZ [-\]: We can not  continue TV broadcast due to net problems,sorry! 
Xpomacoma [1k\]: jste cisla teda
Laman [2d\]: thanks, Himiko
cherisse [-\]: oh
Pizon [1k\]: Q5
Hobbes [2k\]: is everything ok? just taking his time?
cherisse [-\]: broadcast problems :c
ChoMama [-\]: when one gets used to seeing blitz games, everything seems to take a lot of time ;-)
phhfdrtty: is the results link broken foranyone else?
phhfdrtty: anyone can advise the top players # of wins?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Ondrej is very focused on the match. In czech championships still never lost against Jan Hora, his score is 5-0.
zum [-\]: i see...
zum [-\]: he could move tho
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Jan walks around other tables...
petarfelix [2k\]: white to move?
hairui [4k\]: ...
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes, still thinking
zum [-\]: bizzare for the 6th move
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;W[hp]C[phi [?\]: if Hora win he is a Champion 100%?
Laman [2d\]: yes
ChoMama [-\]: i remember reading some 9d talking about a game; he said his second move was the losing move.
zum [-\]: that can only be stupid
phi [?\]: :)
zum [-\]: wanna be smarter than a pro?
zum [-\]: you say: my 1st move was the losing move
shhh: nah
phi [?\]: he played a19 second move?
TonyTiger [-\]: hip hip hora :)
martin97 [-\]: :D
shhh: I want Jan to win :)
cheater [7d\]: go Mano
zum [-\]: go cheater
zum [-\]: how many ds would Silt/Hora make on KGS?
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;B[fo]
;W[dn]C[ChoMama [-\]: what would be interesting would be for a player to explain in detail what he was thinking about for so long on such an early move. 
WackOu [4d\]: Most likely 8d
WackOu [4d\]: Maybe 9d
zum [-\]: choice of fuso-joseki
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;B[fm]C[zum [-\]: h4 could be c6
phi [?\]: what i am going to do in weekend they plan
ChoMama [-\]: sure zum, but what i'd find interesting would be the selection and elimination process
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;W[dl]C[phi [?\]: "that gorl was too hot yesterday"
zum [-\]: I cant advise on that...
marvin [2k\]: I already prefer white
phi [?\]: u are strong marvin
zum [-\]: starvin' marvin
levye [7k\]: time to push h4 ?
EuroGoTVCZ [-\]: TV broadcast works already.
phi [?\]: THIS IS EVEN
cherisse [-\]: hooray! i see arms and boards
WackOu [4d\]: I like B position a lot better than W position, but only because I like influence better than territory
AroundOneD [2d\]: L4 or d2
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;B[kp]C[TonyTiger [-\]: I like B position because I like territory more than influence :P
zum [-\]: B doesnt really have influence
levye [7k\]: has imho
WackOu [4d\]: TonyTiger, eh? B really doesn't have any territory on board yet
zum [-\]: unless you call 3 tobis a wall
TonyTiger [-\]: YET
ChoMama [-\]: tobis?
AroundOneD [2d\]: too early to say anything
WackOu [4d\]: 3 tobis, a bigextension from Q3 and that tobi wall, and Q16 to support that
Thew [1d\]: oh c'mon, if you argue like that you might as well say any group is dead when not totally connected with two full eyes...
WackOu [4d\]: It's a huuuuuge moyo-like thing
levye [7k\]: no clue what might white do here
phi [?\]: d8 could be in l4
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;W[in]C[zum [-\]: that's Wack
phi [?\]: or should be?
furr [?\]: guys, why L4 is better than K4?
levye [7k\]: more weakness between q3 maybe
AroundOneD [2d\]: k4 too close
phi [?\]: white cant make a shape by touching
Thew [1d\]: k4 seems more balanced between q3 and f3
AroundOneD [2d\]: even get h4, too small
WackOu [4d\]: furr, when W inevitably reinforces H4, that reinforcement damages F5 by necessity. L4 being further away, that reinforcement doesn't damage L4 as much as it would K4. That's the very broad strokes -style explanation for what advantages does L4 have over K4
phi [?\]: buti doubt its very better its just different
AroundOneD [2d\]: l6
Thew [1d\]: l4 is better ;)
AroundOneD [2d\]: f3 3 stone live
WackOu [4d\]: I would just cap, but then again, I'm a crazy person
WackOu [4d\]: J8!
Thew [1d\]: first another jump?
AroundOneD [2d\]: g6 and h8 for j8
phi [?\]: i doubt 4d is crazy 
phi [?\]: think if i make a move it will be CRAZY
Hobbes [2k\]: but k4 was connected with f3 if w didn't play j5.... and j5 could have been slow...
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;B[dr]C[Sheriffi [-\]: no, just stupid
frozensoul [5d\]: naa 4d are crazy
furr [?\]: Thank you WackOu
frozensoul [5d\]: us 5ds are just insane
frozensoul [5d\]: only difference
Thew [1d\]: there are enough pro's who play crazy moves =p
Dissolve [4d\]: isn't D2 a bit unexpected?
DrPerryCox [?\]: why is it pro's but not move's?
WackOu [4d\]: I don't see where D2 is going
Thew [1d\]: pro is an abbreviation
frozensoul [5d\]: well obv its going to the corner lol
DrPerryCox [?\]: thanks
flobby [3k\]: that's not why
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;W[gn]C[Siller [18k\]: Corner sabotage 
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;B[fn]C[Hobbes [2k\]: d2 to me look's like kyu move.... and i know what i mean
Thew [1d\]: hmm thats true =p
Sheriffi [-\]: kibitz sabotage
flobby [3k\]: pro's indicate you're talking about something of a pro, an item or particular quality
Thew [1d\]: its because of the vowel =p
WackOu [4d\]: frozensoul, and if W blocks, where is it going then?
flobby [3k\]: moves is just plural
flobby [3k\]: or hmm
frozensoul [5d\]: who knows 
Thew [1d\]: so you'd say "pros play..."
Thew [1d\]: ?
frozensoul [5d\]: it goes werever black wants it to go
frozensoul [5d\]: lo
DrPerryCox [?\]: "it's" and "I'll" are abbreviations as well, I'll go with what Thew says, makes perfect sense
AroundOneD [2d\]: c3 needed
WackOu [4d\]: ill go with that
flobby [3k\]: no nevermind, thew just used "pro's" wrong
AroundOneD [2d\]: also put pressure on b
DrPerryCox [?\]: who would'v'e thought
Thew [1d\]: you talk flobby =p
DrPerryCox [?\]: would've*
Dissolve [4d\]: Any non trolling 5d+ care to explain D2?
Dissolve [4d\]: :>
frozensoul [5d\]: black scared
Thew [1d\]: making a base?
frozensoul [5d\]: i guess
Uberdude [4d?\]: d2 is to stop w e3
flobby [3k\]: you're 4d dissolve... just heliumbag a bit and you can be a non-trolling 5d yourself
Uberdude [4d?\]: when i first learnt this sort of shape i learnt you should exchange d2 for c3 as you lose option to 3-3 yourself
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;W[cq]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: but if w can get e3 for f2 exchange
Uberdude [4d?\]: that can be beneficial and black tries to stop that
Dissolve [4d\]: Uberdude, I understand what you are saying, but at the same time, we both know that E3 doesn't really prevent the corner invasion (unlike D2/C3 exchange), and F2 may help for link up tactics or base robbing later
cherisse [-\]: let's see we have an 8d here but no letters coming out :P
Uberdude [4d?\]: true
Uberdude [4d?\]: go is a hard game
Uberdude [4d?\]: but u have seen pros play the slide
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;B[hr]C[cutecunda: too early to tell
Dissolve [4d\]: :D
Uberdude [4d?\]: in situations where if i was reviewing a 10k game i would say it was bad
WackOu [4d\]: So base it is
Dissolve [4d\]: Base it is!
Hobbes [2k\]: as this?
WackOu [4d\]: dissolve, you'll reveal our 4d hivemind that way :|
AroundOneD [2d\]: j2
cutecunda: j2 disastrous
AroundOneD [2d\]: obviously
Dissolve [4d\]: As white I'd play J3 just to ask black "seriously?"
Uberdude [4d?\]: hmm, i wonder if white could have exchanged g3 for f2 before playing c3 or not
frozensoul [5d\]: and black will laugh as he begins to surround u lol
Uberdude [4d?\]: i tihnk w can tenuki
Uberdude [4d?\]: h2 is 2nd line
Uberdude [4d?\]: just go play big points
Uberdude [4d?\]: like q5
AroundOneD [2d\]: i feel g8 better than h2
Uberdude [4d?\]: can black really kill j6 ?
Dissolve [4d\]: Q5 will be pincered and we get a double attack, no?
WackOu [4d\]: If B gets J3, H4 group becomes entirely pointless
Uberdude [4d?\]: and can w carficife
Hobbes [2k\]: i think tewary analisys is right here...
Dissolve [4d\]: What about L6? too slow?
TonyTiger [-\]: the is tewary analysis?
Uberdude [4d?\]: i would consider sacrificing those stones
WackOu [4d\]: it's tewari but misspelled
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;W[kn]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: f7 for d8 is a bad exchange
TonyTiger [-\]: oh. thx
Dissolve [4d\]: Nice, I get kibitz point
Hobbes [2k\]: changing order of playing to see each move's efficiency
phi [?\]: tewari is overared
phi [?\]: rated
frozensoul [5d\]: lol congrats dissolve :D
AroundOneD [2d\]: j3
Hobbes [2k\]: b got a joseky shape with d2 and h2 and then what did w?
Dissolve [4d\]: White is having moyo anxiety
Hobbes [2k\]: inveded him closely and far away from big points...
WackOu [4d\]: I'm extremely curious to see B reply this move
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;B[cj]C[Hobbes [2k\]: i think tewary says w plan is weird even if i'm dubious about b moves...
Dissolve [4d\]: I am waiting for EuroGoTv to say "oh wait, wrong board... sorry" any minute now
AroundOneD [2d\]: white should think three stone are dispensiable if can get sth somewhere else
cutecunda: seems w didn't get much
AroundOneD [2d\]: that's why j2 is OK
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;W[ek]C[Hobbes [2k\]: and you know what, to me j6 is heavy....
phi [?\]: poctivá hra
cherisse [-\]: can b slide at b8 now
reprisal [3d\]: often c7 better though
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;B[bl]C[cherisse [-\]: yey, i get a kibitz point
LeT [-\]: second line strategy
Dissolve [4d\]: I always feel like playing C12 in this kind of cases
cherisse [-\]: these two are snatching each other's bases
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;W[ch]C[Dissolve [4d\]: Woot :>
WackOu [4d\]: nice call
cherisse [-\]: ugh
frozensoul [5d\]: 2 4 2
huy [4k\]: b6 for fun?
AroundOneD [2d\]: c12 is strong play
WackOu [4d\]: I was thinking of D11 myself. I knew there was a move in that general direction, but didn't see c12
cherisse [-\]: yeah
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;B[cm]C[AroundOneD [2d\]: have confidance
Dissolve [4d\]: C7 :D based on the rest of black moves ;)
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;W[dm]C[Dissolve [4d\]: haha
frozensoul [5d\]: lol
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;B[ej]
;W[fj]
;B[ei]C[Dissolve [4d\]: is there a penalty for playing fuseki in this tournament?
WackOu [4d\]: g8 seems natural enough
Dissolve [4d\]: G9 not enough?
cherisse [-\]: true lol, corners open and q5 awaits
frozensoul [5d\]: g9 i like
WackOu [4d\]: g9 might actually be better shape
cacacaca: g9 ++
cherisse [-\]: seems legit
levye [7k\]: why not f8
AroundOneD [2d\]: g9
Dissolve [4d\]: Ondrej will surely deliver
frozensoul [5d\]: f8 doesnt coordinate as well with the g6 group
levye [7k\]: hmm not pushing e11
levye [7k\]: also
levye [7k\]: thx
huy [4k\]: you suggest f11?
AroundOneD [2d\]: no cut now
manul [4k\]: no video?
AroundOneD [2d\]: f11 one more?
hkgo [4d\]: njhughj.iout5uu
frozensoul [5d\]: f11 gives moves like c13 to black so id be a bit reluctant but thats just me
cherisse [-\]: f11 will only hurt white c12
WackOu [4d\]: I don't like F11. It's the wrong direction. It gives B better shape but W shape doesn't really improve
Gryphon [9k\]: f9?
phhfdrtty: g8 most fun shape
WackOu [4d\]: W gets move towards the center that's worthless, B gets move towards top and left side that's worth a lot
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;W[gk]C[frozensoul [5d\]: boom
frozensoul [5d\]: g9
cherisse [-\]: g8, honte?
cherisse [-\]: ah great
Dissolve [4d\]: Ondrej, bro, no worry, go rest up, we got this
huy [4k\]: thx
WackOu [4d\]: g8 had that nasty weakness of not handling F11 well
cherisse [-\]: yeah
WackOu [4d\]: G9 is better in that regard, without any obvious downsides
phhfdrtty: Dissolve wins 57,000 points for cheering
huy [4k\]: c13??
frozensoul [5d\]: g9 also asks interesting questions to black
frozensoul [5d\]: like how he plans to handle that j3 area
AroundOneD [2d\]: anything around c14?
huy [4k\]: i was thinking about c14 and around...
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;B[iq]C[AroundOneD [2d\]: right
WackOu [4d\]: c14 has this distinctly overplay'ish air to it
huy [4k\]: i'm only 4k....so^^
Dissolve [4d\]: c14 d14 d13 then?
manul [4k\]: what's going on with the video? on/off/on/off/on/off... T_T
frozensoul [5d\]: looks like black answered whites question immediatly ^_^
Dissolve [4d\]: c14 d13 d14 e14 then? I mean
GriGriGo [1k\]: g12 ?
WackOu [4d\]: I'd so so want to play F12
WackOu [4d\]: Like, really, really, really much
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;W[bj]C[Dissolve [4d\]: And that's it, the game is no longer for low dan and below
frozensoul [5d\]: haha
WackOu [4d\]: The only downside to that move that I can think of is that it doesn't work, but at the grand scheme of things, is that really that important
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;B[bk]C[frozensoul [5d\]: of course not noo definitly not xD
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;W[bi]
;B[dk]C[WackOu [4d\]: It would've been kinda like a huuuuge net
WackOu [4d\]: Nets are fun. Some people even call intertubes "The Net"
Dissolve [4d\]: is white reading C8?
Dissolve [4d\]: I don't understand what's going on
AroundOneD [2d\]: f8 better
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;W[fl]C[WackOu [4d\]: My guess? W plans backfired :|
TheGame [7k\]: ^^
TheGame [7k\]: i was thinking about that ponuki too xD
levye [7k\]: u woke the dan within :)
Dissolve [4d\]: This can't be a good exchange for white... 
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;B[fh]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: w can capture c7
Uberdude [4d?\]: worth a bit
WackOu [4d\]: noo, they be takin' my f12
muslinca [1d\]: w should've cut
Uberdude [4d?\]: but losing sente seems not worth it
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;W[hh]C[huy [4k\]: g7 funny...!
melmak: d15 
levye [7k\]: d14 my guess
AroundOneD [2d\]: c5
Dissolve [4d\]: d15 :>
Dissolve [4d\]: I'd play that in a KGS blitz
levye [7k\]: d14 e13 seems ugly tho
AroundOneD [2d\]: c5 get sente
Dissolve [4d\]: d14 c14 is enough for white
Dissolve [4d\]: no need for e13
AroundOneD [2d\]: then play q5
levye [7k\]: u know we kyus like vulgar style :)
kitsune [-\]: c5 looks bad for b
AroundOneD [2d\]: c5 makes live
kitsune [-\]: really? oO
AroundOneD [2d\]: c11 an eye
truus [4d\]: can we talk about relevant things please?
cherisse [-\]: c5 c8
huy [4k\]: white is playing very well h12 is going everywhere and he is already connected with j6's group
Dissolve [4d\]: c5 c8 d5 
martin3141 [-\]: c5 c6
truus [4d\]: B is NOT going to try to live around c5 
truus [4d\]: He will run away
kitsune [-\]: yep
cherisse [-\]: i guess b6 is better for 1 eye :P
martin3141 [-\]: that's not the point
truus [4d\]: Because later, when he is safe he can play c5 c6 b6 c8 b7 - but if e10 is not fairly safe he cannot.
cutecunda: looks like b lost?
Dissolve [4d\]: D15 seems like a good idea, running away with F14 seems lacking spirit
truus [4d\]: At the moment B is leading in territory
AroundOneD [2d\]: run just helps w
truus [4d\]: However, W has the initiative
truus [4d\]: B can easily play f14 to make miai of c14 and h13 j12 h14 or so
AroundOneD [2d\]: because b runs betwwen w, so no good
martin3141 [-\]: sure f14 is easy, but feels a little slack or not?
truus [4d\]: Once B is out, he can threaten to disrupt with moves like g7 h7 h8 OR even h8 right away, or c5 c6 b6 
Dissolve [4d\]: if running away, i'd go H13, if white tries to cut, it's going to be difficult with the C14 stuff
truus [4d\]: slack is OK, B needs security - he is leading on territory
Dissolve [4d\]: f14 e13 f13 h14 
truus [4d\]: ic, Dissolve -  you are making a relevant point.
truus [4d\]: So h13 ?
truus [4d\]: in that case, B h13 j13 g13 j14 
bert [3d\]: h13 j13 g13 j14 
Dissolve [4d\]: yeahh13 j13 g13 j14 c14 
Dissolve [4d\]: that's a lot of agreement over J14 :>
truus [4d\]: C14... d14 and ?
Dissolve [4d\]: d15 
AroundOneD [2d\]: c14 is hard than before
truus [4d\]: Yes, the exchange h13 j13 g13 j14 in itself is bad for B
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;B[hg]C[TheGame [7k\]: :)
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;W[gg]C[AroundOneD [2d\]: yes, fighting is another way
Dissolve [4d\]: Oh RLY!
truus [4d\]: well, but the point is to have a relevant discussion, not just to show your hormones are flooding all over the place.
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;B[gh]
;W[gf]C[truus [4d\]: oh oh
AroundOneD [2d\]: still surround by w
truus [4d\]: My guts told me that h13 was an overplay....
huy [4k\]: h11 could be a logical asnwer
AroundOneD [2d\]: looks not good
truus [4d\]: in terms of shape e14 is not good
psycroptic [2k\]: b5 seems a good move
Dissolve [4d\]: j13 j12 e14 k13 h15 >\\?
bert [3d\]: e14 
truus [4d\]: shapewise, d12 seems correct
truus [4d\]: however, that is too passive
AroundOneD [2d\]: this fight is for w
huy [4k\]: yes
dutch2dan [1k\]: j13 seems like a must for b first...
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;B[ih]C[truus [4d\]: in your order, Dissolve, B gets a heavy group at j13. I think B wants to prevent that
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;W[hi]C[TheGame [7k\]: again what i thought is wrong it is played
TheGame [7k\]: :D
truus [4d\]: j12 is almost certainly bad
Dissolve [4d\]: yeah, very heavy, I was reading the follow up fight, even if white gives up on C12, it's a good game for white
phi [?\]: when i read your comments, i must say, 4d is still a Human
Dissolve [4d\]: but where is this going? 
huy [4k\]: to e14 perhaps
martin97 [-\]: time?
huy [4k\]: a lot
phi [?\]: black shpae is problematic
AroundOneD [2d\]: c6
phi [?\]: shape
martin97 [-\]: e14
huy [4k\]: 16:35 for me^^
truus [4d\]: I am afraid instead of h13, B f14 was better.
truus [4d\]: B almost has to play d12 now
Coloratura [1k\]: b5
phi [?\]: i think not only almost
AroundOneD [2d\]: c6 to live
phi [?\]: b5 wrong
phi [?\]: b5 c8 c9 c6 
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;B[dh]C[phi [?\]: b6 is correct
martin97 [-\]: c6 better?
Kinglulu [3k\]: why d12 better than e 14 ?
AroundOneD [2d\]: c6 can make 2 eyes
AroundOneD [2d\]: b6 only 1 eye
phi [?\]: c6 better yes^^
bert [3d\]: i like c6 better
truus [4d\]: b6 seems like a reasonable move later, i.e. shapewise
Ukasuhs [3d\]: arent they both 1 eye in gote?
truus [4d\]: yes, but the difference is W's eye shape
phi [?\]: ask me, i will ask you
bert [3d\]: b6 c6 c8 b5 
phi [?\]: ah i love the time when these all Championships starting...
cherisse [-\]: oh b still struggling i see :s
truus [4d\]: very nice, but ath this moment they don't even know who plays what color
reprisal [3d\]: how many tournaments are we supposed to kibbitz at once??
Dissolve [4d\]: How to handle so much awesomeness at 11pm :<
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;W[dg]C[reprisal [3d\]: even a pro like me has limits
TheGame [7k\]: xd
phi [?\]: there is no a sum we cant
cherisse [-\]: kibitz pro :)
truus [4d\]: e13 d11 
Coloratura [1k\]: alive
AroundOneD [2d\]: c11 
cherisse [-\]: c11 first
Song17 [4d\]: c11 is the only move?
bert [3d\]: c13 
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;B[eg]C[TheGame [7k\]: i still dont understand j11 though
TheGame [7k\]: 12*
AroundOneD [2d\]: c13
Ukasuhs [3d\]: j12 is just so theres no ladder
cherisse [-\]: this i don't understand
bert [3d\]: j11 was to prvent ladder
reprisal [3d\]: it is expensive though
Song17 [4d\]: keeping g14 a bit fragile
reprisal [3d\]: its a dubious move
Ukasuhs [3d\]: h13 is the dubious move imo
reprisal [3d\]: well i think its safe to call h13 simply wrong at this point
Ukasuhs [3d\]: probably
Ukasuhs [3d\]: ya
]
;W[cg]C[AroundOneD [2d\]: e13 made b only an eye
phi [?\]: all kibitzs should read my info
]
;B[ii]C[cutecunda: phi kappa omega?
AroundOneD [2d\]: h10
phi [?\]: :)
AroundOneD [2d\]: sometime, people like play j10
AroundOneD [2d\]: playing
reprisal [3d\]: j10 is likeable
AroundOneD [2d\]: not in this case
cherisse [-\]: can w just e14
TitanPupil [-\]: nein
Song17 [4d\]: j10 will allow b easy life
phi [?\]: Hello. I am a pro KGS kibitz. Contact me if you want lessons: The first trial lesson (1.5 hours) is $20 only. Next lessons can be negociated.
AroundOneD [2d\]: j10 will make b strong around l11
awesome [5k\]: first show us what you can do, phi
]
;W[hj]C[phi [?\]: :)
Song17 [4d\]: yeah.. commercials are not such a great kibitz!
TheGame [7k\]: that ponuki is making excercise now ^^
K5 [1k\]: I am a pro English teacher. Some overlap of skills with kibitzers. ^negociated^negotiated
phi [?\]: ty
reprisal [3d\]: it is not technically a ponnuki
awesome [5k\]: gote life for b?
bert [3d\]: it is a street lamp mounted on black f3-f7 pillar
TheGame [7k\]: :D
]
;B[ef]C[Mulege [2k?\]: Did the best troller of all time, Maladroit, ever return?
bert [3d\]: nah, never
TonyTiger [-\]: I prefer geology9 over maladroit
TheGame [7k\]: arent you supossed to play from weaker side?
TheGame [7k\]: :o
around1d [-\]: c5 looks fine for b
reprisal [3d\]: applebabie probably still wins overall
reprisal [3d\]: or huy
reprisal [3d\]: hu
Mulege [2k?\]: I haven't been around for a while so geology9 is as good or better than Mal?  This I need to see : )
reprisal [3d\]: or bigdoug
reprisal [3d\]: im not sure geology even makes top 5
Mulege [2k?\]: Bigdoug is good : )
bert [3d\]: There is no user account named "geology9" on this system.
reprisal [3d\]: he was from the beforetime, the long long ago
reprisal [3d\]: in the days of tartrate
bert [3d\]: ah, thx
dutch2dan [1k\]: ancient history lessons reprisal?
bert [3d\]: f15 
Mulege [2k?\]: I remember when tartrate came back and got his butt kicked
reprisal [3d\]: possible it was an imposter
rayen [2d?\]: d15 ?
Mulege [2k?\]: Well the admins claimed it was the real mccoy
reprisal [3d\]: how would they even know?
K5 [1k\]: I was wondering about d11
dutch2dan [1k\]: ip address, reprisal
Mulege [2k?\]: They kept the original account active
reprisal [3d\]: who has the same IP address from 5 years ago?
TyTaLuS [11k\]: ip address are usually dinamic
gergs: I normally log in to KGS probably from 50 different IP addresses over a month or two
rayen [2d?\]: I think w can wait for d11 since its sente for b to respond and b doesnt have any move to that is sente against w
Mulege [2k?\]: My IP address from each computer is static
rayen [2d?\]: if w d11 then he loses liberties and might create bigger aji for b later with d16 c13 
TyTaLuS [11k\]: i dosent matter the ip of yor pc is irrelevant to kgs is the modem that changes the ip when you dont use internet
reprisal [3d\]: heh IP definitely matters
reprisal [3d\]: you are obviously not much of a troll
Zephirisz [2k\]: also, keep in mind that alot of asians play from internet cafe, so they have different ip always 
shhh: it wont 
marvin [2k\]: all cafes have the same ip?
Zephirisz [2k\]: im refering to players playing from different cafe's, not always the same one.
K5 [1k\]: d11 was motivated by (i) force B to commit to E12 over C11, and (ii) get c11 in sente that might help c13. Though yes, it may not be urgent, in which case it is ko bane keshi
dutch2dan [1k\]: euro... time left for the players?
melmak:  f16 
]
;W[de]C[rayen [2d?\]: wee
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: b 35 minutes left, b 25 min.
dutch2dan [1k\]: ty
dutch2dan [1k\]: ?
dutch2dan [1k\]: what about w???
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: sry, w 25 ;)
dutch2dan [1k\]: thx... np
morbidus [1k\]: there are no white players in Czech 
reprisal [3d\]: that doesnt even make sense
bert [3d\]: that sounds so morbidus
]
;B[cn]C[bert [3d\]: f15 g15 f16 j13 
]
;W[co]
;B[bo]
;W[bp]C[Timk [1k\]: W shape is so beauty
TheCutpain [2k?\]: g16 
shhh: how did B get into such a mess?
Mulege [2k?\]: I only see one eye?
TheCutpain [2k?\]: b is ok
rayen [2d?\]: He came, he saw but he did not conquer
TheCutpain [2k?\]: w g14  is nothing
TheCutpain [2k?\]: unless black let it grow
]
;B[fe]C[TheCutpain [2k?\]: no high dans to comment?
phi [?\]: i am here
TheCutpain [2k?\]: i think g16  worked fine
reprisal [3d\]: g16 looks like a deathwish to me
rayen [2d?\]: j15  maybe?
phi [?\]: g16 f15 
martin97 [-\]: imba sequence, phi :P
phi [?\]: what imba means?
]
;W[ig]C[martin97 [-\]: so great and perfect and whatever you want :D
dguerrero [2d?\]: Maybe f12 was too slow and h12 very agressive, so B messed up
phi [?\]: ^^
reprisal [3d\]: imbalanced, in the sense of "overpowered"
reprisal [3d\]: since imba never means up
]
;B[fc]
;W[gd]C[dutch2dan [1k\]: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=imba
TheCutpain [2k?\]: ?
]
;B[fd]C[reprisal [3d\]: so painful
]
;W[db]C[martin97 [-\]: i used it for perfect xD
Blaubaer [5d\]: hm b not that bad imo
reprisal [3d\]: maybe he can tenujki now
TheCutpain [2k?\]: no
phi [?\]: cleaned the house, wife playing poker, now I can finally give my life fan behavior
truus [4d\]: h13 j12 j11 are all bad moves for W
K5 [1k\]: H14 area looks hot to me
truus [4d\]: I mean for BLACK
]
;B[eb]C[TheCutpain [2k?\]: j15 
truus [4d\]: e18 doesn't looks like sente
truus [4d\]: h17 is correct shape, I guess
K5 [1k\]: w shapes very proper in this game so far
truus [4d\]: so I guess, B is threatening c18 d19 c17 d17 b15 
martin97 [-\]: w has so perfect shapebut i am afraid b is ahead :(
reprisal [3d\]: i dont think that invasion is real here
TheCutpain [2k?\]: b moves weird
reprisal [3d\]: its such a handi-game invasion
truus [4d\]: I am afraid (but not really :-) ) that you are wrong, martin
truus [4d\]: don't forget that W can still play d11 e12 c11 d10 in sente
martin97 [-\]: ok thanx truus
truus [4d\]: maybe better to play just c11 
reprisal [3d\]: w is nice and thick but far from decisive
martin97 [-\]: k13
reprisal [3d\]: still a lot of game to play
TheCutpain [2k?\]: b sucks at shape
Blaubaer [5d\]: y shape of b group isnt that good
martin97 [-\]: schlangenmäßig halt xD
TheCutpain [2k?\]: because it looks like a sick worm crawling to the hospital
Blaubaer [5d\]: aber keine 2 augen die schlange
]
;W[hf]C[phi [?\]: h13 was the biggest mistake as far?
]
;B[cb]C[TheCutpain [2k?\]: w says resign please
Blaubaer [5d\]: dont believe c18 is the hospital
reprisal [3d\]: resign? a long ways from that
]
;W[dc]C[TheCutpain [2k?\]: he should resign just for trying this childish invasion
Mekanik [5d\]: was d19 for w possible?
reprisal [3d\]: i thought so
reprisal [3d\]: maybe he wants maximum pressure on outside
martin97 [-\]: d19 d17 c17 e17 b18 c16 b17 d14 c15 c14 
martin97 [-\]: i thought
Mekanik [5d\]: ah d19 too risky, b could continue with c17
TheCutpain [2k?\]: white players is superior, easy win
]
;B[ic]C[goldenduck: "hey 6d, you suck at go" - 2k? .. mfw
reprisal [3d\]: i dont have c17 going anywhere
kitsune [-\]: who has more territory? B or W?
Skjaldr [17k\]: isn't time gonna be a problem for white ?
Blaubaer [5d\]: b is faster
TheGame [7k\]: b but not for long i think
]
;W[da]C[reprisal [3d\]: d19 sure looks small
Blaubaer [5d\]: ~ r9 w is only on left side?
Mekanik [5d\]: why didnt play b there first?
phi [?\]: d19 was a sente for black
]
;B[pk]C[reprisal [3d\]: so?
reprisal [3d\]: still looks small
Blaubaer [5d\]: i like b now
phi [?\]: small from the biggest i agree
reprisal [3d\]: yeah
NizumaEiji [-\]: w has 30 secure points already
bert [3d\]: coz of high chinese fuseki?
reprisal [3d\]: i think it is close to even now
NizumaEiji [-\]: he only need to get a little in the middle and maybe a 3-3 invasion on top to get the regular 50 points 
Timk [1k\]: d19 was too small for sure 
reprisal [3d\]: you play your games to get 50 points?
phi [?\]: a little more NizumaEiji
reprisal [3d\]: not paying attention to what opponent gets?
NizumaEiji [-\]: No rep
NizumaEiji [-\]: im just saying that white
reprisal [3d\]: can get 50 points, yes
NizumaEiji [-\]: is already almost secure in his points
SheepPower: I think 60 is the threshold for feeling advantageous
NizumaEiji [-\]: black has alot more potential but its scary that white has 30 or so secure points with no aji
reprisal [3d\]: 181 is the threshold
Mekanik [5d\]: d19 was reverse sente, c18 looks bad now, b has so many stones on the left which do nothing how can this be bad for w?
SheepPower: would that I could get 181 in the midgame 
Blaubaer [5d\]: not sure if b d19 is sente?
reprisal [3d\]: c18 doesnt seem bad, it force another w move there
RunningFox [1d\]: Q9 is better than D19,...
reprisal [3d\]: and e18 is doing something useful
K5 [1k\]: w very thick but feels slow to me, over concentrated
]
;W[kc]C[NizumaEiji [-\]: i think the game is about even
NizumaEiji [-\]: its just a moyo vs territory
reprisal [3d\]: "im not done with you yet!"
phi [?\]: upper left is big, 23 points, but these stones are not longer in play 
]
;B[mc]C[kamek [5d\]: white has thickness too
kamek [5d\]: I think whiter is better
kamek [5d\]: left group not settled
phi [?\]: l17 surprising me
kamek [5d\]: q5?
kamek [5d\]: now?
kamek [5d\]: or maybe r16
]
;W[hb]C[reprisal [3d\]: i dont think he would q5 after l17
reprisal [3d\]: why make that exchange if you dont want to follow through
FFLaguna [1d\]: This is an interesting game
RunningFox [1d\]: w was better for sure but lost opportunity by D19?
FFLaguna [1d\]: Hard to say who is ahead
reprisal [3d\]: i still dont like d17
kamek [5d\]: but d19 very big
melmak: kill
NizumaEiji [-\]: D19 is fine
K5 [1k\]: When doing jigsaws, W doesn't start with corners and edges like many people, but works from left to right
FFLaguna [1d\]: Probably black if all these black stones live safely
kamek [5d\]: b d19 is at least 15 points in sente
dguerrero [2d?\]: those stones will live, the problem is how w will get advantage from letting them live.
kamek [5d\]: + 1 eye 
kamek [5d\]: b must h17 now
kamek [5d\]: only move
Dragoness [-\]: yea
phi [?\]: i play h17 too
reprisal [3d\]: dont like d19 either, but d17 seems worse to me in terms of spirit
kamek [5d\]: maybe squeeze b in
bert [3d\]: h17 g18 g17 j18 
martin97 [-\]: h18 strong
kamek [5d\]: h17 j18 is better
Trumelunki [3d\]: h17 j18 
FFLaguna [1d\]: Are these players 6d pro Euro? Or just 6d?
NizumaEiji [-\]: just 6D
NizumaEiji [-\]: there are no pro
NizumaEiji [-\]: euros
FFLaguna [1d\]: Thanks
NizumaEiji [-\]: they can be pros from europe, but they go to korea or china or japan
phi [?\]: white is playing yose this is my feeling
reprisal [3d\]: h18 not yose
FFLaguna [1d\]: Yes
FFLaguna [1d\]: Yose starts at move 70
reprisal [3d\]: sometimes it does :(
truus [4d\]: Silt is an ex-insei I think
reprisal [3d\]: those games are depressing
FFLaguna [1d\]: Start filling in the dame :)
melmak: think q9 was wrong
RunningFox [1d\]: 2 different styles
RunningFox [1d\]: interesting game
rlaalswo [2k\]: why q9 wrong??
]
;B[hc]
;W[ib]C[RunningFox [1d\]: q9 was not wrong for B I guess but just asked question abt W D19
NizumaEiji [-\]: g17 ?
Blaubaer [5d\]: k17?
reprisal [3d\]: i wonder if q9 is better at r9
reprisal [3d\]: dont really like playing high with w thick in center
NizumaEiji [-\]: it should be
NizumaEiji [-\]: yea
cutecunda: all dead?
FFLaguna [1d\]: Nah, too many loopholes for black life
truus [4d\]: the opposite - q9 should be better, because W is thick in the center
FFLaguna [1d\]: But it's not pretty
rlaalswo [2k\]: maybe b wanted to fight with w's center thickness with q9
K5 [1k\]: But Q9 is better placed to prevent a big W center, looks prefereable to me 
dguerrero [2d?\]: k17 I believe
FFLaguna [1d\]: Second but: Black has a lot of potential development on the right
FFLaguna [1d\]: Although he can't get it all
RunningFox [1d\]: q9 r 9 also different focus I think
dguerrero [2d?\]: K17 seems the less-pasive
phi [?\]: just g17
kamek [5d\]: but l6 limits b's development
cutecunda: nice big atari fight this game, ddk-style
NizumaEiji [-\]: g17
FFLaguna [1d\]: I like K17
RunningFox [1d\]: I am just wondering if W shld keep playing on upper side
rlaalswo [2k\]: cutecunda, then many pro's should play ddk-styles
reprisal [3d\]: what is an atari fight??
Dragoness [-\]: eurogo how much time does both players have?
kamek [5d\]: g17
cutecunda: repri, most stones touch
rlaalswo [2k\]: atari -> fight ...
FFLaguna [1d\]: Dragoness - More than 90min, less than 0min
reprisal [3d\]: isnt that just a fight?
RunningFox [1d\]: B grp is alive but w upper side grp may not 
phi [?\]: they are preety young, they have a lot of time
RunningFox [1d\]: shld W play on right?
FFLaguna [1d\]: I don't think white upper is really in contention
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: b 15 minutes left, w 7 min.
reprisal [3d\]: i think it is, in the context of b may live by threatening it
]
;B[gb]C[truus [4d\]: W is doing ok at the top and N has a lot at stake
RunningFox [1d\]: B is alive easily - no opportunity to attack
NizumaEiji [-\]: what
NizumaEiji [-\]: is this
dutch2dan [1k\]: ty euro
FFLaguna [1d\]: I think white upper is just fine, the problem is to keep black from capitalizing on it as much as possible
melmak: k17 
]
;W[jc]C[bert [3d\]: g15 
kamek [5d\]: c11?
reprisal [3d\]: b has spent the entire game trying not to let f12 settle, i see no reason to stop now
K5 [1k\]: H19?
FFLaguna [1d\]: b still has only one eye + a crappy escape at 15
Mekanik [5d\]: why not w d11 first?
FFLaguna [1d\]: (But it is still black's turn now)
RunningFox [1d\]: b still has 1 eye bcs b is not want to just have 2 eys
RunningFox [1d\]: b wants to make 2 eyes but keep attack to w upper 
Blaubaer [5d\]: b6?
melmak: b would be happy to get 2 eyes
FFLaguna [1d\]: Because making two eyes inside would suck if there were an alternative to giving white free sente
cutecunda: w ahead for sure now, no?
NizumaEiji [-\]: w is always ahead
NizumaEiji [-\]: he has 6.5 komi!
miedved [1d\]: c11
cutecunda: not true
cutecunda: if w was always ahead, there would be no point playing Go
reprisal [3d\]: b is definitely ahead after hte first move
FFLaguna [1d\]: cutecunda - Can't call it yet, it's pretty close
]
;B[id]C[RunningFox [1d\]: if b makes 2 eyes and w play... 
cutecunda: hah, triangle!
FFLaguna [1d\]: b can get crappy life, but D4 white dragon really didn't achieve much, either
dutch2dan [1k\]: nice shape!
TheGame [7k\]: xD
Dragoness [-\]: lol
TonyTiger [-\]: awful
dguerrero [2d?\]: that's a good empty triangle
]
;W[ge]C[ddbriggs [7k\]: b is almost definitely ahead after first move. but maybe all moves are ajikeshi.
phi [?\]: this is a psychological move: "i know u didnt expect that"
]
;B[gc]C[miedved [1d\]: c11
NizumaEiji [-\]: b6 lets b live in at least the tail of the group
miedved [1d\]: c11 good for both
cutecunda: somebody said W trained in Korea... he's probably used to much stranger moves
FFLaguna [1d\]: b still doesn't have two eyes, but he has an escape
RunningFox [1d\]: B want to maximize...
K5 [1k\]: ^ang^ong
reprisal [3d\]: j16 is not exactly "oh noes i didnt think of that"
NizumaEiji [-\]: b has 2 eyes
Blaubaer [5d\]: k15?
kamek [5d\]: maybe c11
miedved [1d\]: sure b is safe
Pinguschaf [?\]: i dont see what is j16 giving white
tymak [3k\]: w trained in Japan
RunningFox [1d\]: otherwise b may not be leading?
petarfelix [2k\]: l15 better i think
NizumaEiji [-\]: l15 
petarfelix [2k\]: l15 , b has to play b6 and then white has sente for right
]
;W[ci]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: if j16 is jump at j15 then w can cut
Uberdude [4d?\]: l15 
Blaubaer [5d\]: b6 c8 c9 a7 only gote eye?
FFLaguna [1d\]: b now is your chance!
Uberdude [4d?\]: only a ko for tail!
RunningFox [1d\]: C11 is interesting
]
;B[je]C[Blaubaer [5d\]: y :-)
martin97 [-\]: wow
]
;W[ke]C[reprisal [3d\]: good call, ko is not actually that big
K5 [1k\]: poor l17
]
;B[kf]C[K5 [1k\]: Now K13 looks so good
RunningFox [1d\]: if b kill upper w...
FFLaguna [1d\]: Ko isn't big??? I count 30+ points
reprisal [3d\]: sure, 30 swing
cutecunda: right side still bigger
RunningFox [1d\]: compare ko to upper w
reprisal [3d\]: makes it about miai 11
K5 [1k\]: Do we reckon B now ahead?
reprisal [3d\]: which should be a touch smaller than say q5
RunningFox [1d\]: W has to pay something to win the ko
reprisal [3d\]: and definitely smaller than top
FFLaguna [1d\]: Alright
reprisal [3d\]: be careful with swing values in ko
reprisal [3d\]: they are deceiving
melmak: m15 
FFLaguna [1d\]: What do you mean by "swing"?
reprisal [3d\]: the swing in points from one side to other, aka deiri value
FFLaguna [1d\]: You mean opportunity value?
NizumaEiji [-\]: d11 d10 e12 f11 f13 seems rather large? 
FFLaguna [1d\]: opportunity cost*
phi [?\]: rotation, turn, revolution, circulation, circle, swing
reprisal [3d\]: no...
Blaubaer [5d\]: according to go seigen one only needs to count ko threats:-)
K5 [1k\]: R15 next rhs move for B?
]
;W[le]
;B[jg]C[Dragoness [-\]: k13
reprisal [3d\]: w eating c10 swings the local count from 0 to ~35
Blaubaer [5d\]: j15 offering a koß
cutecunda: b ahppy
RunningFox [1d\]: K13???
martin97 [-\]: m17 
reprisal [3d\]: most people would call it the "value" of killing b9
Dragoness [-\]: whats wrong with this move?
Dragoness [-\]: its fine lol
martin97 [-\]: threatening another ko
]
;W[di]
;B[dj]C[FFLaguna [1d\]: reprisal - I'd call it that
Blaubaer [5d\]: k13 better than k14 true
reprisal [3d\]: but that sort of counting starts to break down in ko
reprisal [3d\]: i advocate miai counting
RunningFox [1d\]: K13 give W potential opportynity to play J15, K14 better ?
]
;W[if]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: calling swing value is sloppy
RunningFox [1d\]: hmmm
]
;B[jf]
;W[eh]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: value implies a balance of the worth of something with the cost
Uberdude [4d?\]: in go the worth is the swing
Uberdude [4d?\]: the cost is how many moves it takes to get it
reprisal [3d\]: yes, miai is much better for valuing moves
]
;B[an]C[NizumaEiji [-\]: uber but counting value of something vs value of something else
reprisal [3d\]: counting swing is kinda myopic
NizumaEiji [-\]: is the swing
FFLaguna [1d\]: reprisal - It sounds like you're talking about "opportunity cost"
phi [?\]: white ponnuki has been surrounded
reprisal [3d\]: i dont think so
Uberdude [4d?\]: no fflaguna
reprisal [3d\]: opportunity cost has more to do with aji keshi
Pinguschaf [?\]: funny that j11 and j12 came back into use :D
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: w and b in byoyomi (20stones/10 minutes) 
]
;W[bm]C[cutecunda: who is eurogo?
FFLaguna [1d\]: Thank you, EuroGoTV
petarfelix [2k\]: black made a mistake
gnarf [1k\]: who didn't?
]
;B[dh]C[Koukkaaja [3d\]: b just decreased the swing value
reprisal [3d\]: yes, which is not good
martin97 [-\]: k16
reprisal [3d\]: now the ko is endgame
cutecunda: i prefer merry-go-round to swings
]
;W[jd]
;B[ie]
;W[eh]C[Blaubaer [5d\]: how to attack k17?
]
;B[df]C[TonyTiger [-\]: 5d should know :)
jakontin [1k\]: with M17?
ikill12 [1k\]: b played this ko because hes just going to do a bunch of territory threats and he knows w has to respond
phi [?\]: start n14
]
;W[cf]
;B[dh]C[FFLaguna [1d\]: K19 for starters :)
]
;W[ff]C[Blaubaer [5d\]: :-)
]
;B[ee]
;W[eh]C[Blaubaer [5d\]: o15?
NizumaEiji [-\]: f13 
]
;B[mg]C[FFLaguna [1d\]: Hmm, Blaubaer was closer :)
RunningFox [1d\]: I like N13:)
phi [?\]: n13 odf course
]
;W[nd]C[phi [?\]: attacking while escaping
reprisal [3d\]: does it qualify as an attack though
FFLaguna [1d\]: Sure
phi [?\]: a very new method
K5 [1k\]: w slightly on the ropes here
RunningFox [1d\]: well, if b lose ko, b has to get something bigger
NizumaEiji [-\]: i disagre
reprisal [3d\]: unfortunately moves are not attacks just because i want them to be :(
Koukkaaja [3d\]: winning while escaping would be a trick
NizumaEiji [-\]: i think blacck is on the ropes
]
;B[md]C[cutecunda: it's IRL tourney, no escaping
]
;W[me]
;B[ne]C[FFLaguna [1d\]: 30sec per move or so on average is what they're playing
FFLaguna [1d\]: 20 stones / 10 minutes, they are both in byo-yomi
NizumaEiji [-\]: n18 
]
;W[nf]C[RunningFox [1d\]: I like b's play better now
]
;B[oe]
;W[mf]C[monk316 [2k\]: right side is incredibly black
FFLaguna [1d\]: It's got two big, gaping holes
phi [?\]: and the left is white
FFLaguna [1d\]: 1.5 gaping holes now
]
;B[dh]C[NizumaEiji [-\]: g3 
reprisal [3d\]: i still think q5 is bigger than the ko
]
;W[lg]C[reprisal [3d\]: maybe g7 is too much of a problem without it?
]
;B[lh]C[FFLaguna [1d\]: Perhaps we'll see a threat series there
K5 [1k\]: Seems w prefers middle game to fuseki
Koukkaaja [3d\]: to me the ko is cheaper than a swing
]
;W[mh]C[phi [?\]: g7 is just yose move
reprisal [3d\]: w center is not as thick as it once was
martin97 [-\]: yose since 40 moves one said :D
FFLaguna [1d\]: Yose started at move 70, fuseki at move 110
]
;B[ng]C[martin97 [-\]: ok xDD
]
;W[of]C[phi [?\]: it looks like a good kgs blitz game:)
phi [?\]: now
]
;B[pf]C[NizumaEiji [-\]: q13 
FFLaguna [1d\]: Finally something is happening
FFLaguna [1d\]: I joined when G18 area was being developed, it was boooring
]
;W[oh]C[Blaubaer [5d\]: bs group isnt secure yet
K5 [1k\]: Q13?
]
;B[nh]
;W[ni]C[FFLaguna [1d\]: 50-50, you got it wrong, K5 :)
]
;B[mi]C[reprisal [3d\]: well im glad theyve stopped playing the ko
]
;W[og]C[reprisal [3d\]: that was bothering me
]
;B[mh]C[cheater [7d\]: I think b is playing bad moves now
ikill12 [1k\]: good shape is everything
NizumaEiji [-\]: l12 
K5 [1k\]: I forgot, B always chooses the ugly shape option
reprisal [3d\]: pretty much
reprisal [3d\]: and he cant settle g18 group now
Blaubaer [5d\]: e12
FFLaguna [1d\]: b only has 1 gaping hole left, the other was exploited by white already
Pinguschaf [?\]: take ko again?
reprisal [3d\]: he's been avoiding settling it for 100 moves
cutecunda: b has to live up to his J16 triangle
reprisal [3d\]: may as well go for another 100
FFLaguna [1d\]: bF19 = life
NizumaEiji [-\]: no
FFLaguna [1d\]: Yes
NizumaEiji [-\]: f19= 1 eye
]
;W[mj]C[K5 [1k\]: How clean is the top right? 
FFLaguna [1d\]: Oh
FFLaguna [1d\]: I forgot about the ko
NizumaEiji [-\]: even
NizumaEiji [-\]: without the ko
NizumaEiji [-\]: c8 
FFLaguna [1d\]: This ko is really important for b :)
Ashitaka [1d\]: there is C8 too
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: toilet break
cutecunda: lol
TheGame [7k\]: :D
FFLaguna [1d\]: EuroGoTV1 - Black is using this for extra thinking time
Pinguschaf [?\]: a6 was really bad
Mulege [2k?\]: NO!  : )
FFLaguna [1d\]: Somebody should be following him and making pointless small talk to keep him distracted
cutecunda: a misread for sure
K5 [1k\]: b7 was really good
Koukkaaja [3d\]: they stop while you're away?
FFLaguna [1d\]: Until he can return to the board.
Blaubaer [5d\]: y a6 is nthg
NizumaEiji [-\]: i feel like
NizumaEiji [-\]: black cant get 2 eyes
bert [3d\]: b6 instead of a6 would make big difference
FFLaguna [1d\]: How so? wA7 makes it one eye like we have now
reprisal [3d\]: yeah now winning the ko doesnt even help him make life
Mulege [2k?\]: can black get a sente eye in the l12 area?
FFLaguna [1d\]: I don't understand why people keep saying B6
bert [3d\]: now there is half eye
]
;B[lj]
;W[kh]C[martin97 [-\]: c8 destroys eye :D
Blaubaer [5d\]: or a7?
]
;B[li]C[FFLaguna [1d\]: What
FFLaguna [1d\]: How did I miss C8
K5 [1k\]: Shape LOL
FFLaguna [1d\]: Black terrible now
martin97 [-\]: b6 = one eye a6 = max half an eye
NizumaEiji [-\]: m9 
cutecunda: atari fights ftw....
FFLaguna [1d\]: wM9
FFLaguna [1d\]: Do it :)
reprisal [3d\]: yes m9 is win
martin97 [-\]: i like m9
NizumaEiji [-\]: but black gets two eyes
NizumaEiji [-\]: in gote
NizumaEiji [-\]: doesnt he
SunnyD [2d\]: m9 is gangnam style!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
NizumaEiji [-\]: l10 
Pinguschaf [?\]: lol
NizumaEiji [-\]: is better
FFLaguna [1d\]: b won't play O10 so I don't think M9 really matters so much
NizumaEiji [-\]: l10 is incoming
]
;W[lk]C[NizumaEiji [-\]: noo
reprisal [3d\]: oh baby
NizumaEiji [-\]: my first guess was right
martin97 [-\]: so strong!
NizumaEiji [-\]: :(
dutch2dan [1k\]: nice...
cutecunda: b res?
NizumaEiji [-\]: W+R
K5 [1k\]: treble hane, why not?
reprisal [3d\]: look at all those hane
FFLaguna [1d\]: This is pro shape
cheater [7d\]: no res
Dragoness [-\]: b k11...
psycroptic [2k\]: k11 
Dragoness [-\]: no need to resign yet
FFLaguna [1d\]: This is the "Super Dango"
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Ondra said: this move is for you guys ;)
cutecunda: if he's dead, then res only move
TheGame [7k\]: :)
reprisal [3d\]: sweet
Dragoness [-\]: xD
martin97 [-\]: pingu we need name for this shape!!!!
reprisal [3d\]: glad to know he cares
Koukkaaja [3d\]: keep haneing till euro crashes
FFLaguna [1d\]: Haha
NizumaEiji [-\]: l10 k10 
K5 [1k\]: L13, I dare you Black!
cheater [7d\]: for publikum haha :D
psycroptic [2k\]: l10 no?
cutecunda: :)
cutecunda: nice of him
martin97 [-\]: so strong, caring about us in championship xD
martin97 [-\]: l10 dies xD
martin97 [-\]: o10 l10 n9 l11 p11 l13 
Ashitaka [1d\]: what times they have?
SunnyD [2d\]: GMT -2
FFLaguna [1d\]: bK11 is an eye
cutecunda: b can still attack L17
Ashitaka [1d\]: sunnyD - thanks :P
phi [?\]: 18:15 now
reprisal [3d\]: what is all this worrying about eyes, just kill m15
NizumaEiji [-\]: b cant attack l17
cutecunda: sure can
NizumaEiji [-\]: pfff
NizumaEiji [-\]: ill believe it when i see it
phi [?\]: ko swings
]
;B[ji]C[TheGame [7k\]: xD
FFLaguna [1d\]: I don't think w top will have much trouble living
]
;W[nj]C[reprisal [3d\]: another sweet shape move
cutecunda: another triangle
martin97 [-\]: this shape *-*
TheGame [7k\]: the triangle again
FFLaguna [1d\]: b ko fill in
NizumaEiji [-\]: l13 to live?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: new stones...
Blaubaer [5d\]: e12 ??
FFLaguna [1d\]: E12
TheGame [7k\]: if he fills
TheGame [7k\]: there is problem
martin97 [-\]: e12 q5 
FFLaguna [1d\]: Hmm
Dragoness [-\]: e12
NizumaEiji [-\]: black cant tenuki
FFLaguna [1d\]: bP11 anything??
NizumaEiji [-\]: l11 kills black
Uberdude [4d?\]: so wha tis w's move on the side?
]
;B[kk]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: q5 r11 r17?
reprisal [3d\]: maybe r7
martin97 [-\]: r10 first for w?
reprisal [3d\]: not easy to pick
RunningFox [1d\]: L9 better than fill ko
dutch2dan [1k\]: or r12?
cutecunda: black lives, which means w lost
cutecunda: simple as that
NizumaEiji [-\]: m14 
reprisal [3d\]: o rly?
]
;W[kl]C[reprisal [3d\]: when did w start needing to kill it all to win?
cutecunda: ya rly
dutch2dan [1k\]: yet another hane...
TheGame [7k\]: thats the spirit :D
RunningFox [1d\]: to win the game, B has to take right side somehow
phi [?\]: Ondrej Silt using the newest version of Zen19!
FFLaguna [1d\]: Right side is a pretty big deal
cutecunda: b can tenuki now
petarfelix [2k\]: i think b wins... 
NizumaEiji [-\]: no b cannot tenuki.
reprisal [3d\]: i dont understand how anyone can call the game from here
cutecunda: ah no, you're right
FFLaguna [1d\]: b can't tenuki
petarfelix [2k\]: white's game will collapse at one point
RunningFox [1d\]: take some right side by attacking W
FFLaguna [1d\]: Because of tricksyness
jojotus [4k?\]: what will w do if b tenukis?
bert [3d\]: p11 
FFLaguna [1d\]: wL11
NizumaEiji [-\]: l11 l10 k10 k9 j10 if tenuki
TonyTiger [-\]: it's black's turn
FFLaguna [1d\]: I was replying to joyjoytoys
reprisal [3d\]: tenuki then l11 is sweet
RunningFox [1d\]: can b play N9?
FFLaguna [1d\]: B can lose his eye at L13 if he does that
NizumaEiji [-\]: yea
reprisal [3d\]: b can lose n12 stones
reprisal [3d\]: it'll be sweet
]
;B[jk]C[reprisal [3d\]: lets hope he does
cutecunda: b wants to keep C8 and pressure w 
FFLaguna [1d\]: B simply *CANNOT* find a way to end this in sente
truus [4d\]: W has more options now
wolokom [5k\]: it is hot but c8 and w  surrender
RunningFox [1d\]: then don't end-keep fighting
NizumaEiji [-\]: b made two eyes
]
;W[pi]C[NizumaEiji [-\]: inside there
NizumaEiji [-\]: he has 2 eyes already now
reprisal [3d\]: w still thick and calm
truus [4d\]: But even if he does, he still has the problem at e12 and he has to cope with W c8 
FFLaguna [1d\]: Why did you call white a clam
NizumaEiji [-\]: e12 now
cutecunda: b right side big, left side urgent
truus [4d\]: pls, read it one more time, FFLaguna
cutecunda: which one he choose?
JackEL [1d\]: a7
]
;B[po]
;W[eh]C[cutecunda: he choose big
FFLaguna [1d\]: There you go, whoever said Q5 area was bigger :)
NizumaEiji [-\]: white chose a slap
NizumaEiji [-\]: because blacks groups life
NizumaEiji [-\]: is a ko threat on ko threat etc.
truus [4d\]: no, the point of q5 is that B has little choice
wolokom [5k\]: no its dangerous for b
NizumaEiji [-\]: and black has to live in gote while white takes the ko
FFLaguna [1d\]: b can still be invaded on right/bottom, I think. But I'm not good at go
truus [4d\]: yes it is
]
;B[mk]
;W[ll]
;B[dh]C[NizumaEiji [-\]: m14 
]
;W[lf]C[NizumaEiji [-\]: l13 
]
;B[kg]C[NizumaEiji [-\]: e12 
truus [4d\]: but if B plays e12, W can still play c8 but before that W will invade at q5 and B loses on territory for sure
]
;W[eh]C[FFLaguna [1d\]: Lol, Nizuma
cutecunda: die in gote?
NizumaEiji [-\]: resign
Wenhao [5k\]: f11
FFLaguna [1d\]: P10 threat? :)
]
;B[nk]C[FFLaguna [1d\]: Close
reprisal [3d\]: seems unlikely
]
;W[dh]C[FFLaguna [1d\]: w fill in ko
FFLaguna [1d\]: Let's do the right side now!
NizumaEiji [-\]: well
NizumaEiji [-\]: w has the 50 points we said
NizumaEiji [-\]: earlier
NizumaEiji [-\]: now can we say that white is ahead
NizumaEiji [-\]: ?
reprisal [3d\]: hard to imagine there isnt an eye around r12
bert [3d\]: h8 
Koukkaaja [3d\]: Yes we can!
truus [4d\]: m18 is big
]
;B[ij]C[FFLaguna [1d\]: Ouch
NizumaEiji [-\]: black got scared too
truus [4d\]: but j10 is painful
Blaubaer [5d\]: n18?
BinX [-\]: l13 not fully alive before this ^^
cutecunda: die in gote, like i said
FFLaguna [1d\]: Not even bP10 first
WackOu [4d\]: Wait, this game is still on?
w0w [6d\]: w n18 are two eyes...
psycroptic [2k\]: j9 
reprisal [3d\]: dont worry wackou, its looking like it wont last
NizumaEiji [-\]: Ln18 m18 
truus [4d\]: B is aiming at h8 and cutting W, but it doesn't work at this time
phi [?\]: lets count points now
nhucdauqua [4k\]: h 8
WackOu [4d\]: I remember I commented on the first 40 moves or so, then left, ate some, wandered around the city, bought stuff, and then came back
bert [3d\]: SE says b +11
NizumaEiji [-\]: i thought B was doing this so he didnt need f19 for a second eye, and there fore he could attack the right side white
]
;W[gm]C[cutecunda: wackou that's go for you
NizumaEiji [-\]: without white connecting at f19 in sente
FFLaguna [1d\]: Smart truus
]
;B[lb]C[Gansheng [1p\]: what tournament is this?
cutecunda: czech
TonyTiger [-\]: go tournament
cutecunda: tony, be nice
NizumaEiji [-\]: czech go championship
truus [4d\]: and WhackOu? Did you change in that time?
Gansheng [1p\]: thx
]
;W[qk]
;B[ql]C[w0w [6d\]: l18 is sente, after that w has o18 as a tesuji to live
TheGame [7k\]: crosscut xd
wolokom [5k\]: w surrender no hope i think#
]
;W[pj]C[flobby [3k\]: oo hey william
cutecunda: gansheng, any comments on that game?
FFLaguna [1d\]: bP10
]
;B[oj]C[wolokom [5k\]: hmm
FFLaguna [1d\]: Eh... fill in
]
;W[pl]C[phi [?\]: d19 is crying
mamutik [2d\]: was really q5 more important than e12? probably yes ...
cutecunda: wth
WackOu [4d\]: 1p observing a game...
WackOu [4d\]: /me dies of a heart attack
cutecunda: all pros fear czech amas
wolokom [5k\]: w has now a cance 
rlaalswo [2k\]: Ilya is here
reprisal [3d\]: did he ever not?
WackOu [4d\]: /me is revived by the fact that 1p is still observing
]
;B[ok]C[flobby [3k\]: two 1ps really, since bbw
flobby [3k\]: is 1p... but he just left ;o
rlaalswo [2k\]: yeah :c
]
;W[oi]C[WackOu [4d\]: This is the closest I've knowingly been to a pro, ever
]
;B[rl]C[Dr4ch3 [-\]: why didn´t he cath with p11?
WackOu [4d\]: Closest unknowingly I've been to a pro was when I played against one
]
;W[rk]
;B[om]C[FFLaguna [1d\]: Black's heart is beating hard
WackOu [4d\]: Didn't know he was a pro
chut [6k\]: ?
]
;W[qf]
;B[qe]C[phi [?\]: 1p kibitzing would be cool, i think he would make more pupils by chatting here
FFLaguna [1d\]: S11 looks like life
Dr4ch3 [-\]: what´s "kibitzing"?
GoBlonde [6k?\]: you dont get pro by chatting here
FFLaguna [1d\]: I'm sure there is much better
]
;W[pg]C[reprisal [3d\]: but the getting pro piece is done
]
;B[rf]C[reprisal [3d\]: so now you can chat here
FFLaguna [1d\]: Don't forget wJ19 eye also
]
;W[pe]
;B[od]
;W[re]C[cutecunda: b fearless
]
;B[pf]
;W[pm]C[rlaalswo [2k\]: Dr4ch3, http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/kibitz
]
;B[pn]
;W[pe]C[mamutik [2d\]: they both are!
FFLaguna [1d\]: Heh
FFLaguna [1d\]: Q7 neverending threats
reprisal [3d\]: this ko is good spirit
GoBlonde [6k?\]: white lost
]
;B[el]C[WackOu [4d\]: reprisal, let's just say, if you can either have less students or kibitz on KGS, I know most people would choose to not kibitz
GoBlonde [6k?\]: oops, i mean black
Dr4ch3 [-\]: thx @rlaalswo
phi [?\]: Hip Hip Hora!!!
K5 [1k\]: r16 fighting spirit!
cutecunda: if can kill top, bigger
cutecunda: but cannot kill top
reprisal [3d\]: not someone trying to make their living teaching
reprisal [3d\]: if the choice is indeed that stark :)
]
;W[qd]C[cutecunda: hah
mamutik [2d\]: wow!
FFLaguna [1d\]: I'm sick of kos
truus [4d\]: oops
cutecunda: w must be feeling desperate
reprisal [3d\]: a6 again is hurting
FFLaguna [1d\]: Everyone has heard my proposal for US legislature, right?
bert [3d\]: mamutik is a tiny mamooth
FFLaguna [1d\]: Maximum of one ko per game
w0w [6d\]: w won.
FFLaguna [1d\]: That's it. If you break the rule, you go to jail
petarfelix [2k\]: h6 can die?
GoBlonde [6k?\]: "if you affraif of Ko , dont pay Go" ancient proverb
reprisal [3d\]: that is a terrible rule, ko are awesome
petarfelix [2k\]: g6
]
;B[fk]C[cutecunda: now b kill center.. the fun contnues
reprisal [3d\]: you have eterned my eternal emnity, ff
]
;W[gl]C[reprisal [3d\]: grr *earned
reprisal [3d\]: but maybe you've eterned it too
GoBlonde [6k?\]: white cannot lose
FFLaguna [1d\]: I will inter your eternal emnity soon
]
;B[fi]C[K5 [1k\]: does q17 kill top?
FFLaguna [1d\]: Eh
FFLaguna [1d\]: wE7
Karl05 [1d\]: doesn't look good for b
idazuwaika [4d\]: black saved left
WackOu [4d\]: International players would initiate kos all around the board, and then US black choppers would have to hunt those offenders down to protect American freedom and lifestyle
petarfelix [2k\]: i would say for white
GoBlonde [6k?\]: q17 indeed, kills everything
FFLaguna [1d\]: Oops
cutecunda: Silt become check champion!!
FFLaguna [1d\]: Don't wE7
reprisal [3d\]: pffff, black chopper
reprisal [3d\]: we use drones now
cutecunda: czeck
cutecunda: wahtever
reprisal [3d\]: get with the times
]
;W[ek]C[idazuwaika [4d\]: chess?
cutecunda: lol
GoBlonde [6k?\]: black cannot mess with his only and small center
FFLaguna [1d\]: WackOu - Could make a good dystopian future film
]
;B[em]C[FFLaguna [1d\]: Well, that was a fun diversion.
GoBlonde [6k?\]: f13 
mamutik [2d\]: no step back ... none at all!
idazuwaika [4d\]: feels like i'
idazuwaika [4d\]: ve seen this game before
cutecunda: they must be both tired
idazuwaika [4d\]: is this game real time?
FFLaguna [1d\]: Yes, idazuwaifu
WackOu [4d\]: Maybe you have. Maybe you were Ondrej Silt in your previous life?
cutecunda: Silt still alive..
FFLaguna [1d\]: Silt is white
reprisal [3d\]: oooh can w not play c8?
reprisal [3d\]: that would hurt
FFLaguna [1d\]: F13 would hurt too
nhucdauqua [4k\]: c8, f 13 
WackOu [4d\]: cutecunda, why would that matter?
idazuwaika [4d\]: R16 was bad?
Hobbes [2k\]: but maybe he is planning suicide if he loose...
FFLaguna [1d\]: w not out of threats
FFLaguna [1d\]: L11 is one
reprisal [3d\]: but you cant play f13 just because you are not out of threats yet
TheGame [7k\]: he will save l11 for last resort i think
Karl05 [1d\]: b want to kill w center grp
WackOu [4d\]: We're postulating that immortal souls travel between human shells, why should these magical souls have any respect for, say, causality?
FFLaguna [1d\]: Probably something in the upper right too threat
cutecunda: L11 nothing if w bottom right dies
reprisal [3d\]: e7 means you have to reorient yourself
nhucdauqua [4k\]: b want skill group h6 
GoBlonde [6k?\]: L11 better keep it as it is now
]
;W[fg]
;B[fk]C[TonyTiger [-\]: way to go :)
]
;W[kj]C[cutecunda: capture
mamutik [2d\]: tenuki?
FFLaguna [1d\]: I feel so vindicated :P
WackOu [4d\]: tenuki seems to work
FFLaguna [1d\]: The real question is
LeT [-\]: take
FFLaguna [1d\]: How did w choose L10 over L11??
FFLaguna [1d\]: :)
cutecunda: the pro left in disgust
GoBlonde [6k?\]: l10 bad
Mech91 [2k\]: g10
]
;B[gj]C[FFLaguna [1d\]: Ohhhhh man
rlaalswo [2k\]: big trade
cutecunda: i was right again
TonyTiger [-\]: b so good
Mech91 [2k\]: B win
mamutik [2d\]: I am amazed ... what a game!
FFLaguna [1d\]: What now?!
TheGame [7k\]: h9 :/
FFLaguna [1d\]: Lower left needs something
flobby [3k\]: g10o.o
kertif [-\]: this game is no good for my heart
FFLaguna [1d\]: C8 :(
WackOu [4d\]: poor W. Didn't get anything
FFLaguna [1d\]: wC8 now :(
cutecunda: w resign
WackOu [4d\]: Well, R16
cutecunda: B+R
Ashitaka [1d\]: J9?
WackOu [4d\]: Which is huge
idazuwaika [4d\]: i dont understand R16
WackOu [4d\]: But W could have gotten so much more
Mech91 [2k\]: j9 forces
raynolimit [4d\]: J9
mamutik [2d\]: what about UR corner?
K5 [1k\]: L11 + sente is big, if q17 kills
Uberdude [4d?\]: q17 kills corner?
reprisal [3d\]: j9 feels too horrible
reprisal [3d\]: i dont know if i could play it
Uberdude [4d?\]: nah take the stones
reprisal [3d\]: honestly hard not to resign here :)
nhucdauqua [4k\]: l 11
]
;W[ki]C[Blaubaer [5d\]: y not y8?
]
;B[hk]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: then c8 or q17
FFLaguna [1d\]: Blaubaer, are you drunk? :)
K5 [1k\]: j9 impossible from same fighting spirit that played r16
Blaubaer [5d\]: not yet
Mech91 [2k\]: h12 is bigger of n12
nhucdauqua [4k\]: c 8 
psycroptic [2k\]: c8 
cutecunda: all w's ponnukis gone
WackOu [4d\]: To me, the game seems roughly even. I don't know who got the better deal here
]
;W[pc]C[FFLaguna [1d\]: Mmmm
K5 [1k\]: UR became king size corner?
Karl05 [1d\]: game over?
Koukkaaja [3d\]: all those hanes were worth it
FFLaguna [1d\]: ....
cutecunda: C8
FFLaguna [1d\]: This corner looks dead
Uberdude [4d?\]: c8 then d3 alive?
GoBlonde [6k?\]: c8 
WackOu [4d\]: corner is dad
FFLaguna [1d\]: Dad?
WackOu [4d\]: dead*
jocelyn [3k\]: congrats to corner !
WackOu [4d\]: I don't know if the corner is male or has any offspring
]
;B[dq]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: oh short of libs
mamutik [2d\]: good call
Uberdude [4d?\]: duh
Eup [-\]: d3 is a funky protection against C8, but not sure it works
Koukkaaja [3d\]: If you deaded my corner, I'll dead yours
Mech91 [2k\]: dead?
peakoil [1d\]: both corners dad
FFLaguna [1d\]: I trust 6d reading on D3
WackOu [4d\]: koukkaaja, you deader!
FFLaguna [1d\]: But I share your concerns, Eup
Karl05 [1d\]: d3?
reprisal [3d\]: as long as you seee b can throwin d5
reprisal [3d\]: not so hard to read
Uberdude [4d?\]: b wins by 1 lib
nhucdauqua [4k\]: c8 or  c2 ?
Uberdude [4d?\]: c2 is dead shape
Eup [-\]: yup
]
;W[pr]C[TheGame [7k\]: O.o
mamutik [2d\]: deciding battle probably
TheGame [7k\]: now thats something
WackOu [4d\]: Has the entire game been like this?
cutecunda: LOL
Mech91 [2k\]: p17 semms to live
K5 [1k\]: Hmm, b2 might be better than c2?
reprisal [3d\]: no, w was dominating for a lot of it
FFLaguna [1d\]: WackOu - The game has been a rollercoaster
FFLaguna [1d\]: Several mutual exchanges throughout the game
reprisal [3d\]: and nothing was settled
WackOu [4d\]: I just came here, and life&death status of about half of the groups on board has changed at least once
rlaalswo [2k\]: just look at the full game
FFLaguna [1d\]: Zombies coming back from the dead
reprisal [3d\]: now everything is settling in a hurry
K5 [1k\]: I though w would manage the entire game without trying an invasion
reprisal [3d\]: it was all suspensful
WackOu [4d\]: That's in like 40 moves
reprisal [3d\]: and this is the action packed conclusion
SheepPower: R3
GoBlonde [6k?\]: now they play like every night at kgs
reprisal [3d\]: its following a conventional movie arc
]
;B[oq]
;W[qq]C[idontcare [7d\]: i think t8 was enough for white
GoBlonde [6k?\]: desperate wild fight
]
;B[rp]C[raynolimit [4d\]: w win
]
;W[or]C[oxivn [3d\]: yes, i think w shouldnt make the invasion
]
;B[nr]
;W[nq]C[FFLaguna [1d\]: bS3 instead of O2 in my opinion
idontcare [7d\]: this is also good
]
;B[mr]C[TheThe [8k\]: r7 for w?
FFLaguna [1d\]: But I don't know if that corner shape is alive/dead at a glance, so
reprisal [3d\]: i think this is ko shape?
]
;W[rq]C[reprisal [3d\]: plus b is thin outside
]
;B[os]
;W[qs]C[K5 [1k\]: ko is likely good enough
]
;B[rr]
;W[sr]
;B[rs]
;W[br]C[Mech91 [2k\]: c8
cutecunda: w kicking around like a dying mule
]
;B[cr]C[LeT [-\]: :-)
bert [3d\]: r6 
]
;W[aq]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: w has s6 
]
;B[bs]C[K5 [1k\]: s6?
]
;W[cl]C[FFLaguna [1d\]: AGAIN!?
]
;B[bn]
;W[ck]C[Eup [-\]: ...
WackOu [4d\]: hey, look, it's a ko
sidk [7k\]: hahah
Pinguschaf [?\]: lol
TheGame [7k\]: xD
Uberdude [4d?\]: if one w group lives he wins
]
;B[do]C[Dragoness [-\]: no ko
]
;W[eo]C[Mech91 [2k\]: is a jooke?
]
;B[ep]
;W[cp]C[idontcare [7d\]: w could play t6 too
Mech91 [2k\]: a7
]
;B[ap]C[oxivn [3d\]: A4
]
;W[ao]C[FFLaguna [1d\]: ?
FFLaguna [1d\]: b played first?
Mech91 [2k\]: ?
idontcare [7d\]: big massacre
sidk [7k\]: weird
Mech91 [2k\]: a7 was kill
WackOu [4d\]: W A5 seemed like a mistake
mamutik [2d\]: p 17?
BUM [6d\]: double ko?
]
;B[am]C[FFLaguna [1d\]: w has threats around A9
Mech91 [2k\]: why not a7?
cutecunda: w dedd
raynolimit [4d\]: W S6
FFLaguna [1d\]: Dang
WackOu [4d\]: W is dad. Gratz
Uberdude [4d?\]: BUM such a lucky winner against lukan :p
Uberdude [4d?\]: why did he suicide his corner?!
oxivn [3d\]: 2 ko
]
;W[ak]
;B[ap]C[TheGame [7k\]: looks like no one will give up
FFLaguna [1d\]: w has to ignore to black ko threats to win
WackOu [4d\]: A4 seems like 5k mistake
idontcare [7d\]: black is dead everywhere
flobby [3k\]: a4? why not e6?
WackOu [4d\]: Is there something I don't see?
Mech91 [2k\]: white gave mani ko threats
bert [3d\]: e3 
FFLaguna [1d\]: We have entered "middle game" period now, btw (chuuban)
jojotus [4k?\]: e6 is saved as a ko threat
WackOu [4d\]: jojotus, it doesn't work like that
Eup [-\]: middle game period at move 211 is a tad late, me think
Mech91 [2k\]: r4
Karl05 [1d\]: next will be fuseki
afk [-\]: it does, wack
K5 [1k\]: s6??
afk [-\]: white cannot play e6
FFLaguna [1d\]: Fuseki started at move ~120, yose started at ~70
idontcare [7d\]: ah, yes
afk [-\]: white cannot play d5 *
]
;W[rn]C[idontcare [7d\]: s6, not t6:)
oxivn [3d\]: no double ko,
oxivn [3d\]: ?
WackOu [4d\]: Oh my, it does work
WackOu [4d\]: How peculiar
TonyTiger [-\]: lol
Eup [-\]: R6?
idontcare [7d\]: q2 deciding blow?
]
;B[qn]C[bert [3d\]: what do you care
petarfelix [2k\]: this game is just insane
cutecunda: another triangle for b
]
;W[ao]C[andy1975 [1d\]: a2
K5 [1k\]: Yeah, but I'm glad I took it up all those years ago
cheater [7d\]: e6 first
]
;B[en]
;W[do]
;B[ap]C[FFLaguna [1d\]: I don't think w can get anything out of this
BinX [-\]: q4 
bert [3d\]: now e3 is not a threat anymore
WackOu [4d\]: Bert, it's not a ko
idontcare [7d\]: q4?
GoBlonde [6k?\]: h8 
K5 [1k\]: m3?
chut [6k\]: h8
]
;W[sl]C[hymanlai [3d\]: a2
FFLaguna [1d\]: Bert - What about F5 liberties?
raynolimit [4d\]: W m3
FFLaguna [1d\]: Oops, I'm tired
idontcare [7d\]: didn't work
mamutik [2d\]: s5?
]
;B[qm]C[bert [3d\]: i would have liked r6 instead of s6 much more
]
;W[ao]C[JIeBuc [5k\]: i thought u dont care :P
oxivn [3d\]: A2?
]
;B[ar]C[HW9x9 [1d?\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://www.eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-Czech
reprisal [3d\]: a2 is sweet
mamutik [2d\]: no, I forgot this is a 100% game!
TonyTiger [-\]: time to resign
FFLaguna [1d\]: HW9x9 - I love your Youtube Channel
raynolimit [4d\]: w m3
BinX [-\]: q4 still
FFLaguna [1d\]: H8 is threat for white
WackOu [4d\]: What I don't understand is, why play this sequence up to this point
FFLaguna [1d\]: I'm too tired to figure out how the double ko affects this
HW9x9 [1d?\]: all the YouTube videos are better descripted on EuroGoTV
reprisal [3d\]: for lulz
HW9x9 [1d?\]: thx
Mekanik [5d\]: w leading a bit?
oxivn [3d\]: W didnt think it's double ko
K5 [1k\]: How to answer t6?
WackOu [4d\]: oxivn, it was obvious it was double ko, I don't think it's possible W could have missed that
FFLaguna [1d\]: w T6?
cutecunda: w leading in groups lost
FFLaguna [1d\]: Or bT6?
cheater [7d\]: this double ko is just making the byo-yomi 2 times bigger :) so w can win more safely
K5 [1k\]: white t6 (see my info)
reprisal [3d\]: haha, good point cheater
FFLaguna [1d\]: Hmm
FFLaguna [1d\]: wT6 is touch
reprisal [3d\]: they have useful side effects
FFLaguna [1d\]: tough*
wan [2d\]: j9
peakoil [1d\]: FFLaguna, black has endless threats because of the double ko.
FFLaguna [1d\]: wT6 bT7 seems to work
FFLaguna [1d\]: peakoil - Thanks, I'm really tired
WackOu [4d\]: peakoil, you mean W
raynolimit [4d\]: m3
reprisal [3d\]: no, w has endless threats
]
;W[qp]C[oxivn [3d\]: WackOu, I think W could manage to win without invasion
]
;B[ro]C[peakoil [1d\]: lol looks like black to me :)
FFLaguna [1d\]: Wait
FFLaguna [1d\]: So white won the lower left?
K5 [1k\]: could manage or could have managed?
oxivn [3d\]: the invasion make ko threads
WackOu [4d\]: peakoil, then you're looking at it wrong
mamutik [2d\]: oxivn: wasn't he behind?
peakoil [1d\]: I trust you Wack. But I dont' see it.
]
;W[sm]C[WackOu [4d\]: W is dead, and W has ko-threats by threatening to live
peakoil [1d\]: Ah ok. Then we are saying the same thing.
reprisal [3d\]: no, not at all
peakoil [1d\]: if w takes (endless threat), then black can retake (endless threat locally)
]
;B[qo]C[petarfelix [2k\]: b wins comfortably?
]
;W[np]C[TheGame [7k\]: ^^
bert [3d\]: w will play m3 i guess
FFLaguna [1d\]: Hmmmmmmmmmm
peakoil [1d\]: w is dead I agree, because black can endlessly retake the other ko
Mekanik [5d\]: no w wins with small margin
reprisal [3d\]: p4, one more for good measure
FFLaguna [1d\]: O3 can connect??? Heheh
Hendrix [1d\]: no. w has endless ko-threats =)
nhucdauqua [4k\]: o5
WackOu [4d\]: peakoil, your terminology is wildly misleading, "endless ko threats" has a very specific meaning in go jargon that is almost direct opposite of what you're saying
idontcare [7d\]: w win big
]
;B[oo]C[FFLaguna [1d\]: bO5 wQ4 where is your god now
reprisal [3d\]: p4 was cooler :(
]
;W[lq]C[peakoil [1d\]: yes, w can threaten to live endlessly by taking one of the kos. That means he has endless threats for a potential NEW ko elsewhere on the board.
]
;B[mq]C[FFLaguna [1d\]: peakoil - Ohhhhhh
peakoil [1d\]: But he can't live, because black can endlessly take th eother ko.
oxivn [3d\]: w still has chances
reprisal [3d\]: yes, w has endless threats, not b
peakoil [1d\]: right right reprisal.
]
;W[mp]C[WackOu [4d\]: peakoil, the go jargon equivalent of what you're saying is "double ko"
FFLaguna [1d\]: Hopefully they have exhausted all the possible ko fights on the board
]
;B[lr]C[Pinguschaf [?\]: too bad that there is no place for another ko for w
peakoil [1d\]: gotcha Wack. Thx.
reprisal [3d\]: yes its a dirty shame
Eup [-\]: seems black can't quite afford komi, indeed
Mekanik [5d\]: w+5 or so
]
;W[nn]C[reprisal [3d\]: oooh
FFLaguna [1d\]: b keeps getting the short end of the stick
FFLaguna [1d\]: In little ways all the time
K5 [1k\]: Why not m4?
reprisal [3d\]: well except in the big ko fights
reprisal [3d\]: he came out ahead on those
FFLaguna [1d\]: Like O3 running away
WackOu [4d\]: fflaguna, what kind of stick has a short end? :|
cutecunda: another ko?
idontcare [7d\]: the way b massacre his own upper left corner
idontcare [7d\]: is decisive
]
;B[lp]
;W[nm]C[FFLaguna [1d\]: Heh
reprisal [3d\]: or at least, one or two of them
phi [?\]: u mean right
Mekanik [5d\]: w should m4, no?
Karl05 [1d\]: b group will have only 1 eye
reprisal [3d\]: anyway it was a sweet game
peakoil [1d\]: semei now?
K5 [1k\]: Ahsemidoritastic, Q6 only one eye?
FFLaguna [1d\]: Well, black did massacre his upper left corner at one point
mamutik [2d\]: there can still be co theoretically at t5 ;)
HW9x9 [1d?\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://www.eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-Czech
]
;B[ln]
;W[mn]C[reprisal [3d\]: b massacred most of his groups at one point or another
TheGame [7k\]: ohh now w also makes good shape :)
reprisal [3d\]: i think f3 is the only scarred survivor
Pinguschaf [?\]: that semedori was big
cutecunda: better t4
FFLaguna [1d\]: Haha, dual triangles
mamutik [2d\]: cheater, please, how does it stand?
]
;B[ko]C[TheGame [7k\]: xD
]
;W[il]
;B[ik]
;W[lm]C[reprisal [3d\]: it stands at 16* from vertical
cheater [7d\]: i didnt count yet, mamutik :)
mamutik [2d\]: and what is the status of LL?
reprisal [3d\]: death
FFLaguna [1d\]: mamutik - Start with SE, and then adjust for groups it misjudged
cheater [7d\]: it's b's
FFLaguna [1d\]: It's the fastest way to count during kibitz :)
TonyTiger [-\]: death by wumba
abcdefgh [2k\]: is lower right ko after w t4?
norsu [1k\]: ok, w +150
huy [4k\]: lol
Hobbes [2k\]: SE says w +152... start from there FF :-))
norsu [1k\]: what should I adjust
FFLaguna [1d\]: wT4 bT5
]
;B[jn]C[K5 [1k\]: a-h, I think so - good point
FFLaguna [1d\]: Haha, Hobbes, no thanks
around1d [-\]: lets trust SE
]
;W[jm]
;B[km]C[reprisal [3d\]: hehe 
reprisal [3d\]: we found a ko!
Eup [-\]: a-h: after black T5, S7 for black
FFLaguna [1d\]: Amusing
mamutik [2d\]: you see? we are not done with ko's :)
]
;W[as]C[TheGame [7k\]: :D
WackOu [4d\]: But W has endless ko threats now
peakoil [1d\]: endless threats!
Hobbes [2k\]: it wuold have been a lOOng way home... :-)
Mekanik [5d\]: b k8 now lol
FFLaguna [1d\]: b IGNORE
FFLaguna [1d\]: Do it
around1d [-\]: bad idead
FFLaguna [1d\]: Wait, don't do that
FFLaguna [1d\]: White will cap B1
reprisal [3d\]: sweet idea
K5 [1k\]: K8, ko goes on
idontcare [7d\]: Czech championship is fun
idontcare [7d\]: next year i join
afk [-\]: haha
Mekanik [5d\]: heh
cutecunda: u checko?
Dragoness [-\]: but you dont care :o
K5 [1k\]: Yeah, this game was fun
]
;B[ap]C[reprisal [3d\]: dontcare style seems perfect
]
;W[kn]C[reprisal [3d\]: you'll do great
cheater [7d\]: w + about 10
cutecunda: all Hora games were full of fighting.. he's like roln
reprisal [3d\]: just make sure you follow ondrej's lead and play triple-hane for the kibbitz
]
;B[jo]C[reprisal [3d\]: that is important
]
;W[lo]C[FFLaguna [1d\]: Haha.
eatramen [?\]: everyone in europe is named jan? O.o
Koukkaaja [3d\]: yes, jan
around1d [-\]: no just in Czech
FFLaguna [1d\]: Dang, that double ko came in useful
huy [4k\]: yes
TonyTiger [-\]: jan claude van damme
cutecunda: :)
WackOu [4d\]: eastramen, nope, but around half of the czech population is named either Jan or Ondrej
reprisal [3d\]: i thought m5 was unncessary but then i realized there is no endgame at all
eatramen [?\]: that's kinda funny lol
AndyZ [20k\]: Jan paul Belmondo
cutecunda: wacko, that means all men are (they are male names, 50% pop are male)
reprisal [3d\]: the sure mark of a gg, no late endgame at all
atlatl [2d?\]: ahoi to czeck people
K5 [1k\]: we did the yose earlier
]
;B[ho]C[FFLaguna [1d\]: Heh
huy [4k\]: r3 is dead or q5??
Hobbes [2k\]: around move 70 i think
petarfelix [2k\]: bottom right seki or white dies?
WackOu [4d\]: cutecunda, why wouldn't they name their women jan or ondrej also
FFLaguna [1d\]: I like the way you put that, reprisal
TheGame [7k\]: oh man
TheGame [7k\]: can the m10 stone now come into play
TheGame [7k\]: ?
]
;W[go]
;B[gp]C[DejMiPivo [?\]: WackOu: if it is a gril, we use Jana :-)
]
;W[gq]C[TheGame [7k\]: m3 xd
reprisal [3d\]: and ondreja?
bert [3d\]: this makes additional libs for q2 group
]
;B[fp]C[Eup [-\]: not george forman?
]
;W[io]C[FFLaguna [1d\]: TheGame - Nice catch
]
;B[ip]C[FFLaguna [1d\]: But no.
FFLaguna [1d\]: wL3 bK4 wL2 bK2 w has nothing
cutecunda: why do female names end in "a" so much?
Dragoness [-\]: ^^
huy [4k\]: sexy....
FFLaguna [1d\]: cutecunda - Because names ending in "a" are feminine names
]
;W[ao]C[Koukkaaja [3d\]: like Koukkaaja
]
;B[ar]C[siskin [3d?\]: White T4 and black in trouble due to bottom left
reprisal [3d\]: and reprisa?
Koukkaaja [3d\]: ooh
huy [4k\]: cutecund ==> men .... cuntecunda ==> women
cutecunda: FFL that's circular reasoning
WackOu [4d\]: fflaguna, I do you want to join a tautology club I just created?
around1d [-\]: why w stil trying to won double ko&)
bert [3d\]: a is usual grammatical sign of female gender in slav languages
]
;W[hl]
;B[hq]C[reprisal [3d\]: not just slav
WackOu [4d\]: We have plenty of activities, the kinda tautology clubs do
FFLaguna [1d\]: I don't know, do you I?
reprisal [3d\]: it is pretty widespread
]
;W[jh]C[K5 [1k\]: w just taking second buyoyomi
]
;B[gi]C[AstaManana [7k\]: derive from latin . 
siskin [3d?\]: White T4
reprisal [3d\]: im thinking it may be beyond latin, even
huy [4k\]: t4 is bad
AstaManana [7k\]: names with a at the end 
reprisal [3d\]: but am unwilling to do any research
GoIsBoring [2d\]: a10  for w?
K5 [1k\]: a1
cutecunda: i see no particular reason why "a" should be more feminine... must be some historical coincidence
FFLaguna [1d\]: wT4 bT5 wT9 then what?
WackOu [4d\]: I've been called a lot of things, but none of them end in "a"
lukaszb [3k\]: slavic names have this property
reprisal [3d\]: well certainly latin is responsible for much of it
thejurist [1k\]: at10?
WackOu [4d\]: cutecunda, slav influnece is the most likely explanation
petarfelix [2k\]: o1 for w?
bigstar [6k\]: certainly female names don't end in a in asia
cutecunda: that is no explanation
FFLaguna [1d\]: bQ4 seems to work fine
bert [3d\]: for example, Jan is a boys name, Jana is girls
Eup [-\]: cutecunda: you're looking at names from hindoeuropean languages. If you look at other names, say japanese, most female names end in "ko" for example. 
mateogo [4k\]: only slavic names, yeah certainly no more
WackOu [4d\]: cutecunda, why not?
Koukkaaja [3d\]: b t3
FFLaguna [1d\]: wT4 bT5 wT9 bQ4 no worries
Eburg [1d?\]: the roots of femine a's come from before latin
yame [2k\]: how are the results of Simara?
FFLaguna [1d\]: Hmm
afk [-\]: yame, 2:4
around1d [-\]: it's pretty even btw
yame [2k\]: thx afk
jocelyn [3k\]: so this game is like an asian girl ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yame: http://goo.gl/W6pUM
cutecunda: so one group of monkeys a million years decided to use "a" and that stuck?
cutecunda: no other reason?
idontcare [7d\]: w can play rom l3
FFLaguna [1d\]: I guess b is okay on right because of liberties
idontcare [7d\]: from*
BUM [6d\]: w wins
bert [3d\]: game is igra, feminine also, so yes
siskin [3d?\]: Then L3 and semeai
WackOu [4d\]: cutecunda, not a group of monkeys a million years ago, but rather group of protoslavs maybe 5000 years ago
cutecunda: Jan Protoslav
WackOu [4d\]: Number I pulled out of my very knowledgeable bottom
cutecunda: the new champ
Eup [-\]: cutecunda: that statement could be extended to every word you say. A group of roman dudes decided that "rose" was fitting for a flower, and that stuck, too
reprisal [3d\]: its a nice number
bert [3d\]: groups of prehistoric protoslavs are very ellusive
reprisal [3d\]: its true
huy [4k\]: maria sharapova....
Hobbes [2k\]: plato wrote's about these things... 
FFLaguna [1d\]: Huy - Watch your language please
huy [4k\]: vinci aswell
tamrin: can we watch the game as well? :)
go [-\]: it has been proven that people were smarter 1000 years ago than now
huy [4k\]: fflagun, ok
cutecunda: ye i think "rose" it pretty much made up, but that "a" thing is a big pattern
FFLaguna [1d\]: How do they have this much byo-yomi time? Hmm
reprisal [3d\]: the ko doubles it
reprisal [3d\]: if w desires
FFLaguna [1d\]: Supposed to be 20 stones per 10 minutes (30sec per move average)
Eburg [1d?\]: 10 mins for 20 moves.. pretty much
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: it s canadian byoyomi
K5 [1k\]: only doubles time for w
FFLaguna [1d\]: I'm just impatient and tired
WackOu [4d\]: cutecunda, languages work symbolically, they carry lots of stuff as remnants of their history. Say, there once was a word that was used to signify the one you were talking about was a woman, and it was later abbreviated as "a" something. Later, as new things were named, they had learned to associate "a" with femine things, so it carried on, and this also was used for birthnames
]
;W[ea]
;B[hn]C[Mekanik [5d\]: i wonder how the game would have turned out if b didnt played the ko at move 159 but connected
]
;W[im]C[cutecunda: meka where was 159
reprisal [3d\]: it would have turned out differently
bert [3d\]: i am waiting for w to exploit l3 o1 and t4
FFLaguna [1d\]: Q15 ko was 159
reprisal [3d\]: have fun playing counterfactuals on this board :)
FFLaguna [1d\]: I don't even remember Q15 ko
idontcare [7d\]: if b connect @move159
reprisal [3d\]: it was over quickly
idontcare [7d\]: w win big 
cutecunda: kgs doesn't let you rewind, so mentioning move numbers is not very useful :)
K5 [1k\]: w Winning move was r16 imho
Eup [-\]: w+komi
WackOu [4d\]: cutecunda, it is, you just need to view the game offline
FFLaguna [1d\]: KGS lets you rewind, but this game is a demonstration so you have to open it in a new board
antibiotic [3k?\]: or clone
cutecunda: no thanks
FFLaguna [1d\]: Click Options---->View Offline
bert [3d\]: yeah, bad mistake that non-threat before r16
cutecunda: i mean rewind like on all other server :)
]
;B[rm]
;W[sn]
;B[oc]
;W[ob]C[cutecunda: not going through that offline harakiri
FFLaguna [1d\]: cutecunda - You can't rewind this game because it's being shown live
]
;B[nc]
;W[nb]C[cutecunda: ok...
idontcare [7d\]: hopa
reprisal [3d\]: im sure they'll add that feature in the next decade or two
FFLaguna [1d\]: All other games can be rewound while watching :)
petarfelix [2k\]: what is this for? 
petarfelix [2k\]: ko threats?
cutecunda: a physical law, i guess :)
]
;B[qc]C[Eup [-\]: looking for a place to res?
]
;W[pb]C[Eburg [1d?\]: timesujis?
]
;B[rd]
;W[qe]C[atlatl [2d?\]: save the game and then you can rewind
K5 [1k\]: B has no use for ko treats, so might as well burn them up just in case
reprisal [3d\]: in case of what?
huy [4k\]: r5 or r4 is dead??
cutecunda: or i can scribble all the moves down on a piece of paper! how about that for convenience :)
K5 [1k\]: In case of turning up real aji
cutecunda: b misread
reprisal [3d\]: its very convenient, indeed
atlatl [2d?\]: you can go to the moon
reprisal [3d\]: the problem is trying to read the game from scribbles on paper :(
murrmurr [6d?\]: fly me to the moon
reprisal [3d\]: turns out that is nearly impossible
DejMiPivo [?\]: is black clinging to straws while drowning?
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;B[qj]C[FFLaguna [1d\]: I hate reading joseki sequences written on paper using numbers
FFLaguna [1d\]: So confusing
Eup [-\]: hang on. r10 s10 t9 t10 t5 t9 r11 s11 r12 
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;W[rj]C[Dragoness [-\]: i camt tell whose ahead
reprisal [3d\]: maybe they are those pool straws?
]
;B[sk]C[Eup [-\]: YES
]
;W[sj]C[WackOu [4d\]: Interesting
FFLaguna [1d\]: Haha Eup
reprisal [3d\]: those would be useful if you are drowning
Eup [-\]: go me
]
;B[so]C[WackOu [4d\]: I was just reading out this sequence
petarfelix [2k\]: black goes for ko
FFLaguna [1d\]: Eup, you have the best timing
cheater [7d\]: t15 mega tesuji? :)
cutecunda: nice Eup
huy [4k\]: me too  but to many way..... for me
cheater [7d\]: what a game
cutecunda: finally a game decided by playing T19?
Koukkaaja [3d\]: w's triple hane worked, why not t15?
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;W[sk]C[K5 [1k\]: black playing ko? Hope it's a big one
WackOu [4d\]: Nah, I can't see it
WackOu [4d\]: I don't think B has anything here
Eup [-\]: sadly he doesn;t
huy [4k\]: black will play the ko in t2
cheater [7d\]: t15 works
TonyTiger [-\]: define works
K5 [1k\]: T15 s13?
Nefeste [4k\]: like a clock
WackOu [4d\]: t15 does what?
bert [3d\]: t15 s13 and then?
idontcare [7d\]: ko?
cheater [7d\]: makes n16 aalive in ko at least
idontcare [7d\]: would be nice
idontcare [7d\]: with the lower left
WackOu [4d\]: cheater, i don't understand
WackOu [4d\]: t15 s13
cheater [7d\]: r18
WackOu [4d\]: s17
FFLaguna [1d\]: N18
cheater [7d\]: s18, n18 n19 combo sente for b to make eye at l19
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;B[rb]
;W[qb]
;B[rc]C[FFLaguna [1d\]: Hmm
]
;W[mb]C[cheater [7d\]: missed it :/
yame [2k\]: ian't s13 sente for b?
odnihs [-\]: lol
rlaalswo [2k\]: w L3 K4 L2 O1 M1 ?? 
FFLaguna [1d\]: White has enough liberties now
]
;B[lc]C[FFLaguna [1d\]: L18
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;W[kb]C[WackOu [4d\]: oh well, W+res
]
;B[ka]
;W[ja]C[huy [4k\]: now n19
TonyTiger [-\]: lol
Eburg [1d?\]: and?
WackOu [4d\]: n19 dies nice and big
phi [?\]: who will be a champion if they both win the last game?
FFLaguna [1d\]: Eburg - One stone at a time :)
Eburg [1d?\]: yes, i forgot)
Nefeste [4k\]: we searching life in a hopeless place
bert [3d\]: lower right is seki?
WackOu [4d\]: bert, nope
huy [4k\]: black can make an other ko in t3, no? after n19
WackOu [4d\]: w dead
FFLaguna [1d\]: EuroGoTV1 - Any updates?
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;B[ha]C[rlaalswo [2k\]: w L3 K4 L2 O1 M1 ?? doesn't this work at lower right?
Nefeste [4k\]: b hope that w hurry to j19
FFLaguna [1d\]: rlaalswo - Why did you bO1?
]
;W[la]C[huy [4k\]: no way
TheGame [7k\]: :DD
FFLaguna [1d\]: rlaalswo - Why not just bK2 instead?
huy [4k\]: exactly
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;B[no]
;W[mo]C[idontcare [7d\]: 2 l should still be fun
idontcare [7d\]: w l3*
]
;B[sp]
;W[op]
;B[pp]C[FFLaguna [1d\]: Whelp
FFLaguna [1d\]: Showdown
idontcare [7d\]: too late
cheater [7d\]: not any more
cheater [7d\]: lot of points lost
Nefeste [4k\]: o8
huy [4k\]: p6
atlatl [2d?\]: r2
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;W[ia]C[Eburg [1d?\]: 4k miai)
Mech91 [2k\]: o1 seki?
]
;B[ga]C[idontcare [7d\]: it should have been exchanged long time before
]
;W[ec]C[melvinh [12k\]: now b is just dieing everywhere?
Nefeste [4k\]: my point better 
around1d [-\]: no seki
around1d [-\]: just dead group
FFLaguna [1d\]: wO1 bL3
]
;B[he]C[psycroptic [2k\]: close game anyway
FFLaguna [1d\]: Nothing
WackOu [4d\]: Interesting
Eburg [1d?\]: Nefeste, no
atlatl [2d?\]: he forced white to
]
;W[fb]C[idontcare [7d\]: finally,  t15 didnt't work i think
K5 [1k\]: just more semidori
]
;B[hg]C[piatok: over
around1d [-\]: what over
around1d [-\]: its close game
WackOu [4d\]: the game
WackOu [4d\]: W won
Mech91 [2k\]: white is little bit lead
]
;W[hh]C[Eburg [1d?\]: only now? ))
]
;B[hd]C[Dr4ch3 [-\]: W+Komi
reprisal [3d\]: whats your refutation for t15?
WackOu [4d\]: It has been a fun experience, but it's over now
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;W[fa]C[huy [4k\]: why b didn't play n19 instead h19? could use ko...
FFLaguna [1d\]: Extremely close game
]
;B[hg]C[x0000 [-\]: w+ I agree
Koukkaaja [3d\]: n19 o19
Mukti [4d\]: solid lead for white.
Nefeste [4k\]: Eburg, yes o8 is 1 point bigger in gote potentially
huy [4k\]: n19 o19 r19 , no?
]
;W[ml]C[idontcare [7d\]: t15, t13
]
;B[sq]C[Eup [-\]: HA
LeT [-\]: nooo
mamutik [2d\]: oh!
FFLaguna [1d\]: K8
HappyLook [5d\]: w should played r2..
sidk [7k\]: huh
GoIsBoring [2d\]: lol
gru [2k\]: ??
]
;W[nl]C[melvinh [12k\]: err
mateogo [4k\]: no
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;B[ol]C[HappyLook [5d\]: lol
GoIsBoring [2d\]: lol
rlaalswo [2k\]: ?????
sidk [7k\]: ..........
mamutik [2d\]: ???
WackOu [4d\]: wait, what?
x0000 [-\]: what?
Eburg [1d?\]: Nefeste, i saw that, but dame-wise..
melvinh [12k\]: What?
HappyLook [5d\]: translator error
]
;W[on]C[Eup [-\]: must be error in recording
]
;B[qr]C[mamutik [2d\]: probably
WackOu [4d\]: What just happened?
cheater [7d\]: what paru? :D
]
;W[aj]C[FFLaguna [1d\]: I didn't see anything unusual
]
;B[bq]C[WackOu [4d\]: I just saw Jan put his huge group in self-atari
atlatl [2d?\]: atari
lukaszb [3k\]: autoatari
huy [4k\]: me too
]
;W[al]C[HappyLook [5d\]: look closely
mamutik [2d\]: we all did
]
;B[ap]C[mateogo [4k\]: only the edge of a terrible death
]
;W[jl]C[WackOu [4d\]: Good, then I was not hallucinating
Mech91 [2k\]: w win a lot
idontcare [7d\]: b t15 didn't work for b i think
FFLaguna [1d\]: Woah
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;B[hp]C[around1d [-\]: w leads big
FFLaguna [1d\]: It really happened...
]
;W[kq]
;B[jp]C[FFLaguna [1d\]: Move 307
idontcare [7d\]: of course, w s13
FFLaguna [1d\]: Lol... we are over 300, they are probably exhausted
]
;W[jj]C[Dragoness [-\]: white ahead
reprisal [3d\]: then r18, what breaks the sequence you had earlier?
FFLaguna [1d\]: Or honorable, one of the two
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;B[hm]C[Nefeste [4k\]: ye t3 was so nice..
]
;W[ed]C[melmak: bravo great game to watch
chut [6k\]: w+9.5
]
;B[]C[cutecunda: wicket game
Nefeste [4k\]: i was close to eat my pants
Krabicka [5d\]: scurge: I also think t15 didnt work
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;W[]C[WackOu [4d\]: eurogotv1, did that autoatari really happen?
FFLaguna [1d\]: EuroGoTV1 - Was T3 a real move in the game?
Koukkaaja [3d\]: you aren't Euro champ for nuttin
idontcare [7d\]: Omino squeeze on the first line is the real shit
idontcare [7d\]: :)
Krabicka [5d\]: yo partner
cheater [7d\]: krabicka, idontcare, what adter r18?
FFLaguna [1d\]: Good game everyone
idontcare [7d\]: s18
Krabicka [5d\]: s18
FFLaguna [1d\]: I had fun kibitzing with you all :)
Eburg [1d?\]: i've heard there are tasty pants made of plants)
idontcare [7d\]: b connect w connect
mamutik [2d\]: how is it possible that all players from czech champ are online :)
LeT [-\]: thx euro for relaying
K5 [1k\]: So W never needed invasion after all, was so far ahead after grab B UR
cheater [7d\]: hmm, yep
cutecunda: score?
idontcare [7d\]: no time for b to connect at t18
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: W+9,5
cutecunda: tx
bigstar [6k\]: thx euro
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: thanks for watching
WackOu [4d\]: eurogotv1, did that autoatari really happen?
huy [4k\]: t3 incrfedible!!!
cutecunda: so Silt the czecho champion?
WackOu [4d\]: Oh, and thx for scribing
idontcare [7d\]: Mano for vice-president!
K5 [1k\]: GG thanks all
LeT [-\]: spectcular game
Nefeste [4k\]: waiting to DollarGoTV2
Dragoness [-\]: great game :D
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: T3 was real ;)
TheGame [7k\]: loool
Nefeste [4k\]: omg
TheGame [7k\]: xd
mateogo [4k\]: woaaa
WackOu [4d\]: nefeste, how about SterlingGoTV3?
inte [?\]: amazing
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: hardcore game :)
cheater [7d\]: beautiful
Nefeste [4k\]: WackOu would be nice too _)
WackOu [4d\]: eurogotv1, and they both missed it for real?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: see you tomorrow
cutecunda: can't believe all the white ponnuki died
cutecunda: and w still won :D
inte [?\]: both probably knew the result at that point anyway
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