(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[5400]OT[20/600 Canadian]
GN[Czech Go Championship 2012 - board 1, round 2]PW[Ondrej Silt]PB[Jan Simara]WR[6d]BR[6d]DT[2012-10-11]RO[2]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]AN[Pulcik]
;B[qd]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Jan is here, we can start
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;W[dp]
;B[pp]C[goBum [1k\]: hooray
steelydan [5k\]: nice start here
Architect [4k\]: hehe
Architect [-\]: d7 or d161
Architect [-\]: d17 or d16*
phi [?\]: is it a final match?
franckigo [7k\]: ha voila des jpueurs qui prennent leur temps
goBum [1k\]: it's only round 2
Laman [2d\]: phi, no, this is round robin, 2nd round
steelydan [5k\]: p17!
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: tournament info info (results, pairing, ...): http://goo.gl/W6pUM 
phi [?\]: thanks
gonino [7k\]: 90mn ça devrait t'aller francki ;)
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;B[de]
;W[dh]C[steelydan [5k\]: i like blacks style
franckigo [7k\]: oui
Laman [2d\]: but it is vital for Jan if he wants to play for the overall win, and important for Ondřej too
franckigo [7k\]: surtout que la pendule défile pas
gonino [7k\]: : ^^
phi [?\]: both won first round?
Laman [2d\]: Jan Šimara lost to Jan Hora
franckigo [7k\]: pourquoi ça défile pas?
Thorvald [5k\]: bah ils prennent leur temps justement
phi [?\]: the link doesnt work 
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;B[fe]C[gonino [7k\]: c'est une retransmission
franckigo [7k\]: hum
Rodolphe [3d\]: parceque dans las partie restransmise arogotv, le temps defile jamais
Mech91 [2k\]: you must be login
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: trz now
gonino [7k\]: c'est un modérateur qui joue les coups qu'il voit à la TV
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: try*
phi [?\]: ah works now, sorry
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;W[fc]C[franckigo [7k\]: ok
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;B[fq]C[U505 [6k\]: W is ahead
Architect [-\]: nah
Architect [-\]: it is even
U505 [6k\]: more secured poitns
Architect [-\]: look at b influence
U505 [6k\]: no secured point
Architect [-\]: influence is important as territory
U505 [6k\]: of course
Architect [-\]: acttualy, b position is better
U505 [6k\]: is very early, but white made the more side extensions
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;W[dq]
;B[jp]C[U505 [6k\]: now wich side is better to approach?
U505 [6k\]: r6 ?
SIkachnak [3d\]: r5
SIkachnak [3d\]: r6
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;W[fo]
;B[pj]
;AE[qd]AB[pd]C[phi [?\]: strange strategy by white
phi [?\]: overconcentrated in one area
U505 [6k\]: let black have double wing
phi [?\]: double double
steelydan [5k\]: whos turn?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ups, my mistake in first move, sorrz, it was hoshi:(
Architect [-\]: i  think he wanted to neutralize b influence
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;W[lq]C[phi [?\]: ah it was hoshi, it makes all game clear now!
U505 [6k\]: oh
phi [?\]: :D
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;B[lo]
;W[np]
;B[no]
;W[ko]C[phi [?\]: i dont know european players but looks like Simara is very creative but Silt is a strong 6d player trusting his territory
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;B[kp]
;W[oo]
;B[op]
;W[mo]
;B[nn]C[U505 [6k\]: white wants king fu
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;W[mn]C[Architect [-\]: amashi strategy, make territory fast and destroy opponent potential
Manslay [18k\]: eurogotv, can you post a link to video again please?
U505 [6k\]: eurogotv.org
SIkachnak [3d\]: eurogotv.com
U505 [6k\]: see their infos
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-Czech
tymak [3k\]: Simara is very influence orientated and Silt likes solid points, so their games are often quite similar and always interesting
steelydan [5k\]: whos winning?
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;B[mp]C[U505 [6k\]: kibitzers win
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;W[lp]
;B[ln]C[U505 [6k\]: now secured pojnts are even, i guess
Blaubaer [5d\]: no ladder
goBum [1k\]: wow i can't even anticipate it was going to this
lousy1kyu: n7 
Laman [2d\]: O3, symmetry
huy [5k\]: is there a website for the score from everybody?
SIkachnak [3d\]: w ladder good for black, seems like w failed...
x0000 [-\]: n3 
Laman [2d\]: huy, http://www.egoban.cz/archives/13127 or http://goo.gl/W6pUM
Blaubaer [5d\]: b getting quite thick
huy [5k\]: thx
Blaubaer [5d\]: maybe w k5
Architect [-\]: eurogo taking a coffee!
U505 [6k\]: k5 and pray
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yeah, its delicious ;)
U505 [6k\]: n7 is one way road
pajkis [4k?\]: there are always many ways
Architect [-\]: ^^
phi [?\]: horrible situation for white
steelydan [5k\]: yes
pajkis [4k?\]: you just have to count with consequences
huy [5k\]: easy^^
U505 [6k\]: when he stops saying how did i get into this he may play  k5
Blaubaer [5d\]: n7 o3 k5 y no´t?
phi [?\]: B+R
Architect [-\]: white is listening music, maybe this is getting him out focus
sum [4d\]: how u know its music and not advice?
huy [5k\]: black is doing the same
U505 [6k\]: maybe hes listening lee chang ho revords
Architect [-\]: lol
Architect [-\]: w is cheating than?
Architect [-\]: there is a pro giving him tips
goBum [1k\]: w taking time (who won't in this situation ^^)
U505 [6k\]: no lee chang ho wants to be a pop singer
phi [?\]: the only move is n3 now
phi [?\]: Blaubaer seqeunce is interesting but doesnt works
goZumi [3d\]: n7,o3, k5?
goZumi [3d\]: ah
goZumi [3d\]: i agree with blaubaer^^
Blaubaer [5d\]: the shape after n3 not for me
domie [1k\]: oh this famous trick play !
phi [?\]: the shape is for nobody, but this is the only way:)
steelydan [5k\]: agreed
steelydan [5k\]: but i suck
goZumi [3d\]: ^^
Blaubaer [5d\]: only way - not for me
Blaubaer [5d\]: :-)
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;W[mq]
;B[mm]C[goZumi [3d\]: :O
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;W[mp]C[domie [1k\]: this is bizarre to play such a trick in a championship
steelydan [5k\]: 1st round
huy [5k\]: easy game for Simara?
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;B[lm]
;W[jr]C[phi [?\]: never easy when u play for influences
Blaubaer [5d\]: imagine w played k2 instaed of o4 etc? much better
tymak [3k\]: but always funny
domie [1k\]: we are all strong at losing won games, aren't we ?
Architect [-\]: how old are they?
phi [?\]: white bad result here i agree of course, but after m6 this is the only result he could get here
tymak [3k\]: 25 or 26
U505 [6k\]: kids
steelydan [5k\]: time for B to get some points
Manslay [18k\]: Jan Simara. Jan was born on 1985-12-15
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;B[jo]C[domie [1k\]: no phi, he could have played O3 and Q2
phi [?\]: i agree domie he could play it and resign:)
domie [1k\]: is it worse than the actual game ?
phi [?\]: yes
domie [1k\]: ah ? why ?
phi [?\]: in your idea black has a ponnuki
phi [?\]: here there are still aji cut potential
phi [?\]: l6 o7 
domie [1k\]: well having such a clumpsy shape as this one during the whole game can drive to depression :)
phi [?\]: agree:)
phi [?\]: but it also can put to sleep your opponent
Architect [-\]: how strong are u Eurogo?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 4d
phi [?\]: nbegginer he missclicked the first move!!!
phi [?\]: dont believe him
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;W[pr]C[Architect [-\]: ^^
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;B[on]
;W[oq]C[phi [?\]: black looks strong and scary, but white has already many many points
WackOu [4d\]: Obviously, he couldn't believe B would make such an obvious mistake as his first move
phi [?\]: :))
phi [?\]: black cant win this ko
iceweasel [-\]: d16?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: architect: Ondrej was born August 5th 1986. I had to search a little longer...
Architect [-\]: ty euro go!
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: sorry, August 3rd
Architect [-\]: ty
WackOu [4d\]: iceweasel, W answering gives W good shape locally, and erases aji B could have there
chussou [3k\]: maybe b can just r2 and take sente?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: I´m 5th :)
murmel2 [-\]: ondrey silt is architect ?
Architect [-\]: but wasnt easier just ask him ?
Architect [-\]: lol
WackOu [4d\]: it would be a bad move made to win an unwinnable ko. Such move would seriously damage B attempts to win this game
Sandmann [-\]: unfortunately the l5 book move doesn't work quite as well with q10 as ladder breaker
Architect [-\]: yeah
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: maybe sex architect ;o)))
Architect [-\]: lol
Sagi [?\]: :D
Goprince [4d\]: wth why didnt w extend at n7 he had ladder,,,
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: like Barney Stinson ;)
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;B[os]C[WackOu [4d\]: I'd just play R2 P1 Q5
phi [?\]: no ladder:)
WackOu [4d\]: Seems B has other plans
phi [?\]: read it carefully GoPrince
Architect [-\]: Suit up!
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: exactly!
Goprince [4d\]: =/
Architect [-\]: ^^
Goprince [4d\]: poor w
Goprince [4d\]: still estend even if no ladder
Goprince [4d\]: extend*
phi [?\]: i think he is rich, has many points
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;W[qr]C[phi [?\]: no way, extending was very bad
WackOu [4d\]: This is starting to look really, really, really bad for B
Gigantom [5k\]: phi, how strong are you-?
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;B[nq]
;W[pn]
;B[om]
;W[oq]C[phi [?\]: many many dans:)
goBum [1k\]: 2d?
phi [?\]: :D
U505 [6k\]: i was 9p but 6k is more fun
domie [1k\]: the famous strong guest ?
Gigantom [5k\]: :D
phi [?\]: agree U505
Manslay [18k\]: situacia :D
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Jan said: I´m a moron :))
WackOu [4d\]: I was 4d but 4d is roughly as much fun
domie [1k\]: B didn't need to be so severe, don't you think ?
Architect [-\]: serious?
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;B[po]C[WackOu [4d\]: B will resign soon, it seems
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;W[nq]C[Moin9 [1k\]: well both have a good time it seems
chussou [3k\]: like I said, b should have r2 and taken sente
domie [1k\]: mainly W Moin :)
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;B[qd]C[WackOu [4d\]: Very hard to catch up after this
SIkachnak [3d\]: b sayin that at least its not the usual double ponuki :DDD
Moin9 [1k\]: yeah true^^
Pizon [1k\]: wow
WackOu [4d\]: If B only had played something-that's-not-P1
Pizon [1k\]: R16 is so solid.
WackOu [4d\]: Remember kids, solid extensions are good
WackOu [4d\]: Even Jan Simara likes them
U505 [6k\]: f7 was better
U505 [6k\]: r14 feels like b doesnt want to win
tymak [3k\]: now would be interesting, what white do on right side
U505 [6k\]: l17 
Sandmann [-\]: bets on next move?
WackOu [4d\]: r16 seems like b still believes he can win. F7 seems to me like a good start to a resign sequence
Nintendo3D [3d\]: k13 
Goprince [4d\]: p17
Nintendo3D [3d\]: maybe r12 
Architect [-\]: dont know... b will cwrtainly go for the center
suttree [11k\]: p11
iceweasel [-\]: l17 too obvious
huy [5k\]: q12??
Nintendo3D [3d\]: l17 is way too small
steelydan [5k\]: very interesting here, wish it was moving just a bit faster
Sandmann [-\]: p13
Pizon [1k\]: go for a holiday?
Nintendo3D [3d\]: i say k13/r12
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;W[oh]C[chussou [3k\]: p12?
Manslay [18k\]: huy wins
chussou [3k\]: what is p12?
WackOu [4d\]: I like the idea behind L17, but it's bad shape imo
Sandmann [-\]: damn
Goprince [4d\]: hardto live
huy [5k\]: great
Goprince [4d\]: hard to kill
U505 [6k\]: white fell in black's trap
Nintendo3D [3d\]: lol?
Sandmann [-\]: pulverisation
Architect [-\]: w think b will go for center too
Nintendo3D [3d\]: how?
murrmurr [6d?\]: go is too complex for my puny head
murrmurr [6d?\]: i should pick up gardening
WackOu [4d\]: If I played a move like P12, it would essentially be a probe
chussou [3k\]: make black commit to a direction?
WackOu [4d\]: yeah
Goprince [4d\]: lol probe?
Pizon [1k\]: looks deep.
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;B[qh]C[huy [5k\]: r12 is enough
U505 [6k\]: maybe they know each other
WackOu [4d\]: B moyo is still open to all directions. I'd want to have B commit a bit before I start attacking
suttree [11k\]: o17
minimalist [2k\]: now it is harder to predict :
Architect [-\]: what are they talking euro?
minimalist [2k\]: O16 or 17
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: some jokes about next important tournament...
huy [5k\]: o10 could be good, to stay in a right direction?
murrmurr [6d?\]: for which, huy?
huy [5k\]: white
Architect [-\]: hehe ty
murrmurr [6d?\]: well, it would make white heavy
murrmurr [6d?\]: black is thick there
huy [5k\]: o9 to much si i think o10 is a good move.
chussou [3k\]: contact!
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;W[oj]C[WackOu [4d\]: interesting
huy [5k\]: too much?
Trumelunki [3d\]: white might get heavy here
chussou [3k\]: it appears that he doesn't mind
WackOu [4d\]: trumelunki, my thoughts exactly
huy [5k\]: he expect use o8?
WackOu [4d\]: I'm curious to see how W has planned this, when will W tenuki from this group
chussou [3k\]: w is sure he will have enough room to live in
WackOu [4d\]: How light or heavy will the resulting group be
chussou [3k\]: that also depends on b's response no?
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;B[pk]C[WackOu [4d\]: B moves remain mystery to me, but their intent should be clear: make W group heavy while securing as much territory as possible
chussou [3k\]: w needs to jump out large here?
chussou [3k\]: like m11?
suttree [11k\]: q14
suttree [11k\]: c14
Tytonidae [7k\]: what about something like white n16?
WackOu [4d\]: that's the obvious idea, yeah, but I feel the end result will be too heavy for W. I certainly wouldn't play it, but since W played P10, it might very well be W is planning on such an extension
WackOu [4d\]: I have no idea. That's why this is so interesting to me :D
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;W[lg]
;B[li]C[Sur [3k?\]: that is some quick response from B
Trumelunki [3d\]: Did black really play this fast? Or was it just scribe?
huy [5k\]: m11... :p
chussou [3k\]: he played fairly fast
huy [5k\]: he played fast
chussou [3k\]: he had anticipated it?
davy014 [-\]: see at eurogotv live video
huy [5k\]: ask him^^
Sur [3k?\]: no, he just feel he is strong there
Sur [3k?\]: he should think more :-P
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;W[le]C[triton [1k\]: m 11 would have been the shape move for white
davy014 [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-Czech
huy [5k\]: ah ah... connection??
chussou [3k\]: well w managed to stay light, but I'm not sure the end result is so great, we'll see
chussou [3k\]: k12?
huy [5k\]: what's black expected when he played m11?
WackOu [4d\]: no points in the direction of k12 :/
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;B[mf]C[chussou [3k\]: prevents w from escaping and strenghtens m11 I thought
WackOu [4d\]: Ah, a probe
Goprince [4d\]: not a probe...
kamek [5d\]: n14 serve
kamek [5d\]: m14 o12
WackOu [4d\]: to me, it seems like one. B asks W to decide where and how does W want B to cut him
kamek [5d\]: haha
kamek [5d\]: teah
WackOu [4d\]: I don't think B will cut right away after N14
kamek [5d\]: yeah
Trumelunki [3d\]: black can certainly cut p10 and p12 if white connects. Is it big enough?
phi [?\]: i connect with m14
WackOu [4d\]: I expect b to move along the top
WackOu [4d\]: cut seems to be very messy
jioupp: what a game
kamek [5d\]: maybe w has to n13
Goprince [4d\]: m12?
Trumelunki [3d\]: maybe black could lean with j17 or something similar
Dragonse: I'd n13
phi [?\]: we dont need no more troubles:)
jioupp: p14
phi [?\]: m14 is a good move
suttree [11k\]: n9
chussou [3k\]: euro, could you tell us how much time each player has?
phi [?\]: why n9 sttree?
suttree [11k\]: i don't threatens escape, o7 aji and then p15
WackOu [4d\]: trumelunki, I don't think B can find time to do that
phi [?\]: nice idea:)
suttree [11k\]: meant 'i don't know' since i'm 11k watching 6d game lol
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;W[lf]C[kamek [5d\]: no suttree you know!
goZumi [3d\]: ^^
chussou [3k\]: what now..
murrmurr [6d?\]: yuno what it is, ah hah
Architect [-\]: p13
WackOu [4d\]: m16 :3
chussou [3k\]: b must have thought about his answer in all this time, since m14 is the most obvious answer
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;B[mh]C[WackOu [4d\]: A cut. Okay
huy [5k\]: m9?
Goprince [4d\]: o16
Blaubaer [5d\]: j16 or l1
phi [?\]: j16 or l1 hmm i choose j16:D
WackOu [4d\]: you're fairly sure of this j16
Blaubaer [5d\]: l11 ops
suttree [11k\]: l1 devastating
Blaubaer [5d\]: :-)
suttree [11k\]: l11 would be nice fight?
Pizon [1k\]: so difficult situation 
phi [?\]: i have no idea
Goprince [4d\]: k13
Goprince [4d\]: makes k11 and j16 mia
suttree [11k\]: the o16 idea seems smart
Goprince [4d\]: l11*
phi [?\]: k13 or l11 or j16 or l16 or o16 ...
chussou [3k\]: well I still think b should have k12, so I'd go with k13 too
Goprince [4d\]: n12 is good move
Blaubaer [5d\]: y
phi [?\]: i am not sure about n12
Goprince [4d\]: cash is never bad
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;W[gf]C[phi [?\]: looks like White also feel as  teh one who is attacking here:)
phi [?\]: thats why i am not sure about n12
Blaubaer [5d\]: ~ k13 now`
HW9x9 [1d?\]: hi all
steelydan [5k\]: yea white!
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;B[fd]C[idazuwaika [4d\]: cash is never enough
TheMage [1d\]: the world is not enough
phi [?\]: go board is enough:)
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;W[gc]
;B[hd]C[quyx [3k\]: and some stones..
zum [-\]: you all greedy
phi [?\]: and some free time
Pizon [1k\]: k 17
phi [?\]: the problem with k17 is l16 hole
phi [?\]: white should play a jump move from m14 stones
jioupp: np. b will fill this hole
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;W[oe]C[Goprince [4d\]: :)
steelydan [5k\]: ooh
phi [?\]: suttree move!!!
Pizon [1k\]: too greedy
phi [?\]: suttree [11k\]: i don't threatens escape, o7 aji and then p15
steelydan [5k\]: beauty
suttree [11k\]: haha
polt: looks plausible but complicated 
WackOu [4d\]: gimme 160pt of territory under chinese rules and I shall ask for nothing more
zum [-\]: hard to answer
phi [?\]: yaeh, we can see how much h12 was qeustionable
Architect [-\]: answer is easy, hard is find a good answer
WackOu [4d\]: actually, make that 162
flobby [3k\]: you mean 182
suttree [11k\]: l17 maybe
polt: no l17
suttree [11k\]: what's wrong with it?
polt: cant really allow white n15
suttree [11k\]: ok
polt: what's the purpose of l17
suttree [11k\]: thanks
phi [?\]: o17 is my first idea
WackOu [4d\]: o17? :|
idazuwaika [4d\]: why are they playing so slow?
polt: o17 would be sort of the shape
chussou [3k\]: can b o14?
chussou [3k\]: it looks ugly, but might work
polt: but again w n15 is too good
WackOu [4d\]: idazuwaika, you joking?
phi [?\]: but black will play n13 i think
evanj [-\]: they have been drugged
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;B[nf]C[chussou [3k\]: ha there you have it ;-)
suttree [11k\]: nice
phi [?\]: it must be a mistake....:D
chussou [3k\]: hehe
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: they have a lot of time (90 minutes + canadian byoyomi 20stones/10 minutes)
chussou [3k\]: it breaks the connections for w
chussou [3k\]: how much time left Euro?
WackOu [4d\]: o14 sorta the obvious shape move, but I felt it wasn't good enough
Goprince [4d\]: l11
polt: ya but no other response really
phi [?\]: but it also looks like a defending a n14 stone which was a kikashi
phi [?\]: n13 is still a cut potential......
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: b 50 minutes left, w 25 min.
polt: i think p15 was the great move
zum [-\]: p16
Blitzcore [1d\]: hmmm - i like b
polt: p14
chussou [3k\]: the point is that it cuts p12 for good
WackOu [4d\]: n14 stone is now a cutting stone
polt: probably
WackOu [4d\]: you never, ever let go of your cutting stones
phi [?\]: p15 will turn into great "sqeezing" move
phi [?\]: i dont see why o14 is better than just connecting at n13?
Sabrina [5d\]: n13
chussou [3k\]: it prevents n15
steelydan [5k\]: o15 looks smarter
kitsune [-\]: p16 
Goprince [4d\]: no need for n13
Goprince [4d\]: l11 first
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;W[od]C[phi [?\]: n13 works with l11 move as a shape
WackOu [4d\]: this was the weakness I was worrying about
Goprince [4d\]: yest but bad exchange
suttree [11k\]: you never let go of your cutting stones, is that a saying?
WackOu [4d\]: P16 is now a really good move
phi [?\]: because of liberties?
kitsune [-\]: i agree
WackOu [4d\]: it takes way B top in practically sente
phi [?\]: n13 is a problem now:)
phi [?\]: black must be really angry
WackOu [4d\]: After this, W gets boatloads of territory in the top that originally looked really promising for B
steelydan [5k\]: b is pissed
phi [?\]: he played two moves...n12 and o14  as a defending and still not defended
Sabrina [5d\]: n16 or p14 ?
WackOu [4d\]: also, did you know that the expression "boatloads" is the sole reason English is superior to all other languages?
melmak: j12 
phi [?\]: and the black bamboo group at h15 looks like a taste saugage
suttree [11k\]: lol WackOu
phi [?\]: p14 looks like 15 kyu move for me :)
Sabrina [5d\]: waxk
Sabrina [5d\]: ck
phi [?\]: from these two i choose n16
WackOu [4d\]: q13 seems a natural, yet passive move
kitsune [-\]: I thought english was superior because anyone understands it if you speak slowly and loudly enough
zum [-\]: very complicated
zum [-\]: why do they play so complicated?
zum [-\]: they hate us thats why
Sheriffi [-\]: no, just you
phi [?\]: q13 as a next defending move comn.......
Sabrina [5d\]: i think n13 has more value than p14 atm
Sabrina [5d\]: n16*
suttree [11k\]: n9
polt: i think b is effed
Sabrina [5d\]: n16 right now
WackOu [4d\]: I vote for Q13, if only because it looks so right in this world that's so wrong
Wizzos [1d\]: elfed?
suttree [11k\]: i meant n9 whiote sorry
kitsune [-\]: n17 
suttree [11k\]: p17?
polt: n16 doesn't work tho
polt: w may be able to cut right away
Blitzcore [1d\]: of course english is inferior to most languages - as everybody understands it
polt: n16 n15 o15 o16
polt: and b is effed
polt: i think b is effed anyway
WackOu [4d\]: Blitzcore, ah, the hipsterian interpretation of language theory?
Blitzcore [1d\]: no - the chomskinistic :)
zum [-\]: w+ time
WackOu [4d\]: "I only speak languages that no one else I know of knows about"
chussou [3k\]: lol no one will win by time in this match
suttree [11k\]: I speak with that clicking thing languages
WackOu [4d\]: b+alien abduction
TitanPupil [-\]: who is jan simara? names familiar
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;B[pg]C[niina [1k\]: jan simara is the european champion
zum [-\]: chicken!!
WackOu [4d\]: suttree, I tried learning those, really difficult. Tried to pronounce my friends fathers name, he just laughed
polt: q13 seems right ... no other way
zum [-\]: the other way: fight crazy
WackOu [4d\]: See? This is how good I am! I could sense Q13 coming miles away
about9k [2k\]: simara is very strong, but he was very lucky in that tournament too
suttree [11k\]: I can imagine it would be one of the most difficult languages, coming from english
zum [-\]: would simara make 9d on KGS?
polt: actually so much aji with q13
suttree [11k\]: yes, seems right
polt: still
polt: b is effed
WackOu [4d\]: Myself, I don't actually, you know, speak English. I write and read, but the way it's pronounced is just way beyond me
zum [-\]: l16 lazy move
suttree [11k\]: what language do you speak?
Blitzcore [1d\]: this game way over my head...
WackOu [4d\]: Quite a few, actually :)
suttree [11k\]: What's your first then?
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;W[oc]C[WackOu [4d\]: Not telling, sry
suttree [11k\]: ok, fair enough?
suttree [11k\]: Do you know Russian and how difficult it is to learn?
WackOu [4d\]: or... oh well, i guess i could say it. It's not that big of a secrt
WackOu [4d\]: Finnish is my first tongue
Laman [2d\]: not difficult i think
chussou [3k\]: so you speak swedish as well
WackOu [4d\]: Yeah
Sabrina [5d\]: wackie shtrong
polt: reason for being hesitant? think someone will figure out who u are?
chussou [3k\]: I'll guess german, and maybe french?
jioupp: finnish similar to japanese
WackOu [4d\]: polt, nah, I just like being anonymous. I don't like to give people surface to push their labels onto
Laman [2d\]: jioupp: no one understands it?
suttree [11k\]: Finnish? Wonderful. I listen to Finnish punk music, but that's all I really know
suttree [11k\]: And some films
jioupp: finnish language and japanese language are from the same language familly
WackOu [4d\]: makes it easier for people to dismiss what I say based on what category they put me in, rather than the actual content of my message
Arhiman [2d\]: that's really what any finnish people would say, dude !
suttree [11k\]: So why not b p17?
WackOu [4d\]: arhiman, dang you! Dang you all to heck!
Arhiman [2d\]: ;)
suttree [11k\]: too much gap at r14 I guess?
jioupp: r18
WackOu [4d\]: suttree, yes
suttree [11k\]: ok, thanks
Arhiman [2d\]: I'm helping you make your point, you should thank me
WackOu [4d\]: B needs to do something about it or there will be a breach
atwork [1k\]: w want to keep r14, then if w play r18, can be sente
suttree [11k\]: right, and he made your move, makes sense
Laman [2d\]: jioupp: are they? i doubt it
WackOu [4d\]: arhiman, true, sorry for using such a strong language
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;B[pb]C[atwork [1k\]: then b play greedy and cover corner ;)
Sabrina [5d\]: who is BUM between these two?
WackOu [4d\]: I don't get it
truus [3d?\]: B is threatening n16 and j12 or so
suttree [11k\]: I don't see what stereotypical categories one would make based on 'Finnish'
WackOu [4d\]: W Q14 is a very serious threat
minimalist [2k\]: Jan is BUM
atwork [1k\]: w is leading isnt it ?
Blitzcore [1d\]: b trying to keep m15 eyeless as long as possible?
Sabrina [5d\]: thx
minimalist [2k\]: not at all
minimalist [2k\]: yw
truus [3d?\]: q14 ? a threat? How?
truus [3d?\]: q14 p14 q15 s14 
WackOu [4d\]: suttree, it's a more general attitude towards revealing anything at all. I don't like telling if I'm male or female, young or old, tall or short, anything to be used to label me
minimalist [2k\]: and BUM=flashback 
minimalist [2k\]: ^^
suttree [11k\]: Probably a smart thing with the internet the waqy it is
Sheriffi [-\]: one can label you without knowing this stuff
truus [3d?\]: wack-o, don't worry we won't judge anything you are not wearning today
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;W[ob]C[WackOu [4d\]: sheriffi, sure they can. I just don't want to help them doing that
]
;B[pc]C[Sheriffi [-\]: you help me label you when you speak, should you not speak?
truus [3d?\]: anyway, enough about you
Blitzcore [1d\]: thx
WackOu [4d\]: As long as I don't offer label'ish keywords for you to use, your labeling process has to rely on the actual content of my messages, which was my point all along :)
truus [3d?\]: W needs to defend his stones around m15 and p17 - what is the best way?
jioupp: Laman: right, finnish is similar to hungarian language
truus [3d?\]: yes, the actual content of your message is about you and how mysterious you are.
augenlider: under the bridge down town!!!
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;W[pf]C[augenlider: is wher ei drew some bloooooood
anarchie [-\]: 14r
jioupp: s14
truus [3d?\]: p14 q15 s14 is proper now
]
;B[of]
;W[pe]
;B[rf]C[WackOu [4d\]: truus, how very astute of you
truus [3d?\]: well, they are about my level, so they should find those moves
anarchie [-\]: 4s
anarchie [-\]: ?
WackOu [4d\]: S14? Didn't see that coming
anarchie [-\]: S4
WackOu [4d\]: it's a wonderful move
einstein [7d\]: s4 is endgame 
minimalist [2k\]: l17 
truus [3d?\]: not so exciting yet.
Blitzcore [1d\]: focus on m14, not bottom right?
truus [3d?\]: l17 k17 k18 l16 is a problem
Dragonse: what if white played S4 now, would b simlpy tenuki?
WackOu [4d\]: bottom right is very small. All groups there are completely settled
minimalist [2k\]: or maybel11 
]
;W[mg]C[anarchie [-\]: o12
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;B[nh]C[einstein [7d\]: well, we now know n13 o12 o13 p13 is normal
atwork [1k\]: guess with wich move b will start on the left, e7 ? more deep ?
anarchie [-\]: o13
anarchie [-\]: it s a move of end game?
phi [?\]: c16 is big as a next move
minimalist [2k\]: i think c9 is ok for b at left
einstein [7d\]: Maybe B wants to play c5 d5 b3 
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;W[qg]C[einstein [7d\]: therefore, maybe c5 c4 and c7 or so
Sagi [?\]: jjoupp: but japanese is´t hungarian language
Golao [6k\]: y not h3 or h4 w ?
jioupp: what is this
Arhiman [2d\]: just q12
chussou [3k\]: yeah q112
einstein [7d\]: some linguists propose Japanese, Finnish, and Hungarian are related but I don't buy it.
chussou [3k\]: *12
jioupp: or o13
phi [?\]: einstein are u escaper?
einstein [7d\]: no, why?
steelydan [5k\]: i am one of those linguists
phi [?\]: both your unfinished games u reach counting and escape because of your 0.5 and 6.5 points lost
minimalist [2k\]: i am hungarian and i surely cant understand japanese or finnish 
WackOu [4d\]: Japanese is such an oddball language. Not really related to any language spoken anywhere
einstein [7d\]: really?
anarchie [-\]: Q12
Blitzcore [1d\]: @einstein: yes was some idea to bring the hungarian language into russian relationship - seemed to be more political than true
Arhiman [2d\]: oddball ?
einstein [7d\]: I thought I finished the games
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;B[ph]
;W[pa]C[jioupp: minimalist, but no one can understand hungarian, as well finnish or japanese
WackOu [4d\]: minimalist, languages being related don't mean it's know one, know all -type of deal
phi [?\]: u can oipen them and resign
suttree [11k\]: Einstein is a physicist, he can't escape
phi [?\]: u became great player then!
anarchie [-\]: L17
einstein [7d\]: ??
minimalist [2k\]: of course guys :)
einstein [7d\]: q19 is trying to protect against n16 n15 o15 o16 somehow
]
;B[qa]C[einstein [7d\]: but I don't see it yet...
chussou [3k\]: escaping during counting is very pathetic
einstein [7d\]: r19 p19 r18 just works
]
;W[oa]C[Oloril [-\]: do escapers reach escape velocity?
anarchie [-\]: r18
WackOu [4d\]: Say, Estonian and Finnish are very closely related, they use much of the same vocabulary, words are pronounced almost exactly the same, grammar rules are almost identical, and still it's very, very difficult to for a Finnish person to make sense out of Estonian
jioupp: n16!
einstein [7d\]: yes, like Dutch and German or Spanish and Italian
truus [3d?\]: r18 no choice
WackOu [4d\]: Swedish and Norwegian are also very much identical, so much that in written form, you could almost pass one as the another, but there are pronounciation differences such that Swedish and Norwegians essentially can't communicate with each other
vaansama [5k\]: no einstein
chussou [3k\]: w aiming at s15
jioupp: but not like czech and polish
truus [3d?\]: not?
suttree [11k\]: l17 seems big now
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;B[qb]C[rasputinek: czech and polish understand without problems
]
;W[ki]C[phi [?\]: polish and russian is more similar
]
;B[kj]C[suttree [11k\]: nice
WackOu [4d\]: Danish and Norwegian are so close to each other I'm under impression they can understand each other pretty well, so yeah
phi [?\]: Lets try, rozumiesz co powiedzialem?:)
kmr [1k\]: polish and russian arent similar - just a little bit
vaansama [5k\]: where is the go kibbitz?
rasputinek: rozumim
phi [?\]: hehe
Sagi [?\]: :D
phi [?\]: ladna gra!
Laman [2d\]: nice game
phi [?\]: :D
einstein [7d\]: k11 k13 
jioupp: czarny szuka tesuji
truus [3d?\]: k11 k13 is too good for B
SIkachnak [3d\]: b searching for tesuji...
truus [3d?\]: So W is looking for an alternative
kmr [1k\]: rozrewolwerowany kaloryfer- translate this to englisz pls
rasputinek: szuka is one of the words that have a very different meaning cz/pl
phi [?\]: i know "szuka" is vulgar word in Chech
truus [3d?\]: just l12 is better
kmr [1k\]: english*
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;W[ji]C[einstein [7d\]: k13 is almost the only move now
]
;B[jj]C[suttree [11k\]: woah
Catlemur [11k\]: broken  heating device.
]
;W[ij]C[einstein [7d\]: don't cut!
WackOu [4d\]: almost obviously being the operative word there, as I don't see k13 on board
]
;B[ik]C[phi [?\]: Jan Simara is definetely not in his greatest performance and form today
Laman [2d\]: as i learned when watching pro games, strong players tend to think first, play obvious moves later
einstein [7d\]: yeah, theoretically, there are other moves - obviously he took the theoretical move
rasputinek: Silt still cz number one player, right?
atwork [1k\]: right phi
about9k [2k\]: i think Ondrej i no 1
Koukkaaja [3d\]: almost the only move except of the 97 previous ones. 
phi [?\]: when is Hora vs Silt game?
Pinguschaf [?\]: game looks really tough for black
WackOu [4d\]: So, if I say it's very likely W will win this game, do people disagree with me?
anarchie [-\]: h10
einstein [7d\]: does it look tough?
supergfaim [-\]: Hello my name is dieu
WackOu [4d\]: Wouldn't want to say something controversial
suttree [11k\]: w has a lot of momentum
Laman [2d\]: Hora - Šilt on saturday afternoon
supergfaim [-\]: What your name ?
vegmandu [2d\]: jan simara is european champion  he might not win this game but he is capable of it.
einstein [7d\]: momentum? what does that mean in this context?
suttree [11k\]: hi dieu
anarchie [-\]: jesus
anarchie [-\]: i m your kid
rasputinek: means sente
suttree [11k\]: wouldn't momentum come into play? when there is a huge reduction?
anarchie [-\]: you realy play go
anarchie [-\]: supergfaim
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;W[hk]C[supergfaim [-\]: Allez Allez
anarchie [-\]: l12
anarchie [-\]: L12
supergfaim [-\]: L12
supergfaim [-\]: I12
vaansama [5k\]: ça suffit
supergfaim [-\]: ok
truus [3d?\]: if you image google 'jan shimara' you get all kinds of weird stuff
supergfaim [-\]: scuse
supergfaim [-\]: il faut faire ko ??
supergfaim [-\]: *koi
vaansama [5k\]: ne pas spammer
vaansama [5k\]: ni troller dailleur
supergfaim [-\]: je ne racontre pas de connerie
phi [?\]: i feel like white has initiative and push all game
chussou [3k\]: ok, spamming with two accounts at the same time, that's lame
anarchie [-\]: L12 it s good moove?
vaansama [5k\]: et tu surveilles ton vocabulaire:)
chussou [3k\]: we need some troll busters
truus [3d?\]: I think it's a great idea
einstein [7d\]: ok, guys, quiet down pls
suttree [11k\]: needs to try something
phi [?\]: tell us the next move suttre
truus [3d?\]: j11 h10 l12 will lead to failure
truus [3d?\]: I think k10 was a bad move because he is protecting his territory
suttree [11k\]: i don't kow but i think l12 is a failure
s123452: Monsieur a des capacités
phi [?\]: smart answer:)
truus [3d?\]: but the real issue here is whether h16 is weak or strong
WackOu [4d\]: there's something wrong in the english game room, who you gonna call? If there's something offending, and it don't look good, who you gonna call?
phi [?\]: mommy
steelydan [5k\]: ghostbusters
chussou [3k\]: Troll Bus-ters!
DejMiPivo [?\]: Steven Seagal?
s123452: lol
suttree [11k\]: actually, l12 m12 n10
s123452: What your name ??
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;B[ii]
;W[hj]
;B[kh]
;W[jh]C[suttree [11k\]: nice
]
;B[jg]
;W[ih]C[anarchie [-\]: L13
]
;B[ig]
;W[hh]C[s123452: nice what??
truus [3d?\]: m12 now?
]
;B[lc]C[anarchie [-\]: L16
truus [3d?\]: what??? but it's nice and aggressive
WackOu [4d\]: w just secured truckloads of territory
s123452: ok ok
Liso66 [?\]: m17 is painful for white 
vegmandu [2d\]: :) haha good.M17
chussou [3k\]: good move
s123452: p4
phi [?\]: m12 is a connecting move
WackOu [4d\]: I need a new modifier noun for "loads". "boatloads" needs a partner
zhang2 [2k\]: who is euro cham,p last time?
s123452: p8 excuse me
anarchie [-\]: L16 it s good for me
anarchie [-\]: no?
s123452: L16 
Laman [2d\]: i know one, but profanities are not allowed here
suttree [11k\]: doubleplus boatloads
chussou [3k\]: l16 n16?
s123452: quick quick
goahead [?\]: b no good
goahead [?\]: w can n16 then m13
Gouda [?\]: l17 looks good
anarchie [-\]: it s very difficult
anarchie [-\]: i don t have the choice
]
;W[mc]C[anarchie [-\]: L16
Gouda [?\]: you don´t have a choice?:-)
anarchie [-\]: yes it s real
]
;B[mb]C[anarchie [-\]: L16 for white
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: w in byoyomi (20stones/ 
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 10minutes
Hero: w can escape, so what is he thinking?
TyTaLuS [11k\]: w can escape?
phi [?\]: he is thinking about the best way to do it
Hero: yeah
TyTaLuS [11k\]: how?
Hero: go to help room
phi [?\]: haha
TyTaLuS [11k\]: pro xD
anarchie [-\]: je suis francais je comprend pas grans chose quelqu un peu m expliquer
steelydan [5k\]: he already used his phone a friend
anarchie [-\]: s il vous plait?
Bauer [1k\]: O13
Magogo [2d\]: expliquer quoi ?
zhang2 [2k\]: n16
anarchie [-\]: ce qui se pass la
anarchie [-\]: ce coup je le comprend
]
;W[kc]C[Magogo [2d\]: noir veut couper lespierres p15 
anarchie [-\]: ok
einstein [7d\]: so at any time, W can play m12 l13 o13 p13 n11 m10 o11 and capture two stones
anarchie [-\]: mais noir a 2 choix pour essayer de conecter genre n16
Hero: what about q15?
einstein [7d\]: however, it doesn't work, obviously, if this produces only one eye
Magogo [2d\]: noir peut pas connecter ses pierres je pense
suttree [11k\]: why l13 though?
Magogo [2d\]: ca ce joue au nb de liberté
zhang2 [2k\]: white is winning
anarchie [-\]: a oui je vois
suttree [11k\]: oh, nvm if only one eye
einstein [7d\]: you know, magogo and anarchie, you can copy the game in the french room and chat all you want without us disturbing you
anarchie [-\]: c le semai?
atwork [1k\]: plutot un trade généralement
Magogo [2d\]: pas mal de lecture donc
Magogo [2d\]: voila
anarchie [-\]: j ai vu un cour de fan la dessu
phi [?\]: french is interesting language
einstein [7d\]: you do [Options\] and [Clone game in...\]
]
;B[ld]
;W[kd]
;B[md]C[warsowplr [7d\]: french looks better without misspellings
einstein [7d\]: n15 l18 
Magogo [2d\]: apparament aucun ne veut lacher donc on va vitesavoir qui lie le mieu... :)
atwork [1k\]: n15
einstein [7d\]: please, magogo use the french room for french comments
cutecunda: can live???
Hero: n15, are you sure?
warsowplr [7d\]: einstein, why couldn't he speak french ?
anarchie [-\]: c complique moi j y ariverai pas
Magogo [2d\]: i just explain something to anarchie
]
;W[kb]C[einstein [7d\]: there is the problem of n15 o15 o16 m18 l18 o17 o18 r14 
warsowplr [7d\]: we should all speak czech
cutecunda: L18 nice
einstein [7d\]: yes, do it in the french room, magogo
einstein [7d\]: or in english
Hero: too bad about p15
warsowplr [7d\]: einstein you're wrong
warsowplr [7d\]: he can speak what he wants
Mech91 [2k\]: m15 will cut
einstein [7d\]: why am I wrong?
warsowplr [7d\]: please speak czech here
murrmurr [6d?\]: i choose to speak hate speech
warsowplr [7d\]: it's czech championship
phi [?\]: Já můžu to zkusit
warsowplr [7d\]: go to english room if you want to speak english
warsowplr [7d\]: thanks
suechan [5d\]: but it's kgs server
einstein [7d\]: m18 n15 o15 o16 o17 o18 r14 works
Muttley [2k\]: um, I see no proble with people speaking french here
warsowplr [7d\]: that's why he can speak french if he want to
warsowplr [7d\]: thanks Muttley
anarchie [-\]: n15
Muttley [2k\]: or any other language for that matter :)
phi [?\]: Jste Česká republika warsowplr?
suttree [11k\]: What about pig latin?
gaaga: clgt ?
]
;B[lb]
;W[me]C[warsowplr [7d\]: I'm not phi
einstein [7d\]: it's highly disturbing, I think
]
;B[ne]C[phi [?\]: :)
minimalist [2k\]: b has some problem
cutecunda: let's all speak in made-up gibberish languages!
Mech91 [2k\]: ko?
Hero: what is b doing?
Manslay [18k\]: cesky dzbanek
Mech91 [2k\]: mmmm
vegmandu [2d\]: we are its call english.
Muttley [2k\]: einstein, you can simply use censor
Liso66 [?\]: n19 instead of o18 einstein
vegmandu [2d\]: called
anarchie [-\]: and O13?
cutecunda: let's hope b read correctly
zhang2 [2k\]: m12
cutecunda: otherwise game over
]
;W[lh]C[warsowplr [7d\]: censor was effective 2 centuries ago
einstein [7d\]: thx
LigaGoArt [-\]: b is going to resign soon
anarchie [-\]: group black is dead
anarchie [-\]: ?*
Hero: which group?
Muttley [2k\]: jeśli chcę pisać polski, cenzorzy ktoś mnie? Pffff :)
einstein [7d\]: yes, you are right
]
;B[nd]C[rubicon [2d\]: m10 n11 l9 ?
phi [?\]: this is the worst polish i ve ever heard, ban yourself Muttley!
]
;W[cg]C[einstein [7d\]: ma powodu, aby zabraniać cenzurę w języku polskim
Muttley [2k\]: :)
warsowplr [7d\]: c14 
]
;B[dd]
;W[eb]C[Hero: c14?
Muttley [2k\]: anyway, the game is much more interesting whatever language you choose to kibbitz in
einstein [7d\]: or be in trouble or not to be in trouble
Muttley [2k\]: is white after the big fish on the top left hen?
Muttley [2k\]: then
einstein [7d\]: *to
einstein [7d\]: yes, he is
rubicon [2d\]: l13 l15 g13 ?
Mech91 [2k\]: b16
warsowplr [7d\]: actually this big fish is dead
einstein [7d\]: not yet
]
;B[cf]
;W[lj]C[Sabrina [5d\]: einsein hungarian?
warsowplr [7d\]: I don't see how ti live
Muttley [2k\]: wow, tenuki
einstein [7d\]: Nem indokolt megtiltani cenzúra lengyel
Hero: you can go ahead and call me shortsighted for this but isn't p15 dead?
illyrio [-\]: p15 is dead
einstein [7d\]: no, not Hungarian either
einstein [7d\]: p15 is dead, yes
Hero: so w has advantage?
Mech91 [2k\]: time left please?
chussou [3k\]: that's cool, escaper gets to dictate what language we speak
suttree [11k\]: Einstein was German, not Hungarian
Sabrina [5d\]: muttley do you speak polish?
]
;B[mi]C[Muttley [2k\]: austrian ...
Manslay [18k\]: i'd say einstein is dutch after checking his email
]
;W[ng]C[Muttley [2k\]: no, Sabrina, I speak google translate
]
;B[og]C[rvrey [5k\]: has had several nationalities ^^even américain
]
;W[lk]C[Hero: cool
Sabrina [5d\]: einsetin=tictactoe?
]
;B[nk]
;W[jl]C[nihon [1d?\]: who is winning? i´m too lazy to count
Hero: i think w
Mech91 [2k\]: l8
rvrey [5k\]: w=7,5 lol
rubicon [2d\]: depends on upper left i supose
truus [3d?\]: B can live
Hero: what about lower left?
cutecunda: b live easily, L15 sente
rubicon [2d\]: looks like ko in upper left
Sabrina [5d\]: BUM is losing
phi [?\]: who is BUM?
Sheriffi [-\]: Jan
cutecunda: BUM is flashback
Syptryn [3d\]: upper left is alive
Muttley [2k\]: Bum is black
Muttley [2k\]: it's his username on kgs, means "Boom" in Czech
rubicon [2d\]: l15 l13 l14 l12 k16 k17 b16 ?
]
;B[bg]
;W[bh]C[phi [?\]: what is Silt KGS nickname?
]
;B[bf]
;W[jm]
;B[jn]C[truus [3d?\]: b17 seems to good for W later
Muttley [2k\]: don't remember, someone else will know that one
steelydan [5k\]: cornell
]
;W[ah]C[cutecunda: no cornell is from bulgaria, silt czech
Sabrina [5d\]: the big hamburger eating picture guy
phi [?\]: Cornel is from Romania
Mech91 [2k\]: b16
Muttley [2k\]: Cornel is Cornel Burzo
Sabrina [5d\]: cornel is from Moldova
cutecunda: L15 pretty big sente
truus [3d?\]: misclick?
pytta [2k\]: Goleath, lever du?
Goleath [2k\]: høy. 
cutecunda: b can tenuki now
phi [?\]: l15 is not a big sente
Sabrina [5d\]: norweigian?
Hero: oh?
Goleath [2k\]: sorry for the norwegian :) 
igaz [?\]: .
pytta [2k\]: Ja, Sabrina, vi er norske.
pytta [2k\]: Goleath, det er visst lov å snakke andre språk i chatten.
rubicon [2d\]: b looks ahead to me
pytta [2k\]: Jeg liker stilen til B, han er en våghals!
Sabrina [5d\]: i like the sound of candinavian languages 
cutecunda: can b invade somehow?
Hero: invade what?
Sabrina [5d\]: scandiavian*
cutecunda: what do you think
Xpomacoma [1k\]: invide Earth
rvrey [5k\]: C6 ?
cutecunda: wrong :)
pytta [2k\]: Candinavian :D I speak fluent Marshmallow.
Hero: no i don't
Catlemur [11k\]: swedish
about9k [2k\]: is b really need to invade ?
Muttley [2k\]: if b wants to invade, I would suggest D8
Hero: d8? what about f5?
einstein [7d\]: I would suggest, you'd die
Muttley [2k\]: I think you'd be right :)
cutecunda: why not L15
rubicon [2d\]: lol einstein
Muttley [2k\]: but I think everything dies on the left for black
einstein [7d\]: but B has a dilemma
Hero: dilemma?
phi [?\]: l13 is better yose
einstein [7d\]: if he plays around g6 to reduce, probably f3 dies on a large scale
]
;B[gn]
;W[go]
;B[hn]
;W[fn]
;B[gl]C[Muttley [2k\]: there you go
]
;W[fm]C[cutecunda: nice AND simple
phi [?\]: h3 is super big move now
Hero: cool
einstein [7d\]: and W wins by playing at h5 j5 j3 
Sabrina [5d\]: h3
einstein [7d\]: h3 has a problem
einstein [7d\]: l2 l3 j2 
Hero: problem?
]
;B[il]
;W[hl]
;B[im]
;W[jk]
;B[gm]C[Hero: oh
]
;W[fk]C[einstein [7d\]: little problem , but why make a problem if you can prevent it by playing h5 j5 j3 ?
rubicon [2d\]: he cant play h5 in sente anymore though
einstein [7d\]: but now B will play h3 
cutecunda: b ahead, unless w manages a kill somewhere
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: both are in byo
Hero: why not h4?
]
;B[hq]
;W[rp]
;B[ro]C[JIeBuc [5k\]: prob many threats 
phi [?\]: escpaers shouldnt commenting games Einstein
cutecunda: why not
einstein [7d\]: s3 is sente
phi [?\]: i dont know, i think i am not tolerate to escapers
chussou [3k\]: I agree with you phi
einstein [7d\]: and after that B e2 d2 
warsowplr [7d\]: Do you want to play einstein ?
]
;W[rq]C[einstein [7d\]: and d13 c12 f13, I guess
chussou [3k\]: don't play him, he might escape during counting
chussou [3k\]: if he loses
phi [?\]: be carefull warsowplr, he is an escaper
Muttley [2k\]: ok, enough chussou
Muttley [2k\]: and you phi
phi [?\]: sorry
chussou [3k\]: I'm not sorry, but I'll stop
Muttley [2k\]: thanks
warsowplr [7d\]: Things must be said sometimes
Muttley [2k\]: I'm sure you both know "no public accusations"
Hero: must they?
]
;B[qn]
;W[eg]C[cutecunda: what is silt expression
]
;B[er]
;W[dr]C[kmr [1k\]: banana smile :P
cutecunda: haha
cutecunda: so winning, he thinks
phi [?\]: yes, i know, next time i amke a warning in private chat:)
cutecunda: not so clear to me
]
;B[ke]
;W[kg]C[kmr [1k\]: to be true i dont know :D
]
;B[kf]
;W[kh]
;B[hg]
;W[gg]C[about9k [2k\]: b17 ?
atwork [1k\]: k16 first
]
;B[bc]C[Hero: or not
cutecunda: j17 better than k16
phi [?\]: white should win it
Hero: why?
Sabrina [5d\]: b+3.5
cutecunda: really? what's your count phi
phi [?\]: he has more points:)
rubicon [2d\]: j17 is not better than k16
Magogo [2d\]: b17 pretty big
phi [?\]: give me a minute
]
;W[mj]
;B[oi]
;W[nj]C[Sabrina [5d\]: i needed 15 secs
cutecunda: d1
cutecunda: sabrina > phi
chussou [3k\]: counting accurately is more impressive than counting rapidly
Magogo [2d\]: w+0.5
]
;B[ds]
;W[cs]
;B[es]
;W[cr]C[rubicon [2d\]: W+5.5, i think
Hero: nothing in j2 area?
kmr [1k\]: for me counting is impressive :D
chussou [3k\]: I can count rapidly too.. in 1 sec: W+1.5 .. there
rubicon [2d\]: l2 l3 j2 k3 j3 perhaps?
phi [?\]: about +5,5 for white
cutecunda: b18
cutecunda: or J17 first?
suttree [11k\]: how do you learn to count?
]
;B[ir]
;W[jq]C[rubicon [2d\]: you go 1, then 2 and then 3
phi [?\]: practice
chussou [3k\]: some books discuss it, and practice
Xpomacoma [1k\]: in elementary school
phi [?\]: rubicon:)
rvrey [5k\]: lol
rubicon [2d\]: i think 4 follows
kmr [1k\]: positional judgement by cho chikun is very good
einstein [7d\]: 88 for W and B has 84 - W wins by about 4 pts
Hero: with komi?
JIeBuc [5k\]: shold be
einstein [7d\]: yes, including komi
Hero: cool
]
;B[is]C[chussou [3k\]: then where's the 0.5?
rubicon [2d\]: obviously he means 4.5
einstein [7d\]: it's about that amount
]
;W[bb]C[kmr [1k\]: 0.5 is in "about" 
]
;B[js]C[einstein [7d\]: I can mean whatever I want it to mean
phi [?\]: can i make it public: Einstein u are a cool guy:-)
]
;W[lr]
;B[ab]C[JIeBuc [5k\]: thx phi
]
;W[hf]C[rubicon [2d\]: j3 
]
;B[if]
;W[id]C[einstein [7d\]: what is the endgame at the top?
Hero: l1?
]
;B[jd]C[einstein [7d\]: not impressive for B
]
;W[jc]C[about9k [2k\]: why ?
cutecunda: a few more pushes and that's it
about9k [2k\]: what he did wrong ?
cutecunda: dan players should know the score now
rvrey [5k\]: why not w J17
suttree [11k\]: thanks i am reading lessons in the fundamentals now, so i'll check out Chikun's book when done
Hero: well i'm no dan so what's the score?
rubicon [2d\]: SE confirms my count
warsowplr [7d\]: use SE
einstein [7d\]: I thought B could play j17 j18 k17 k18 in sente
JIeBuc [5k\]: cos k17 has some threats
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: W+R
warsowplr [7d\]: that's how high dan count
cutecunda: hah
Sabrina [5d\]: why
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: thanks for wathing
rubicon [2d\]: nice!
warsowplr [7d\]: thx
einstein [7d\]: thank you
rubicon [2d\]: gg Ondrej
cutecunda: another loss for euro champ?
cutecunda: oh my
Sabrina [5d\]: BUM didnt trust my count
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