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GN[Czech Women Championship 2010 round 2]PW[Katerina Babicka (Lolian)]PB[Jitka Bartova (mamutik)]WR[4k]BR[1k]DT[2010-12-04]EV[Czech Women Championship 2010]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Lukan]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: good afternoon, the second round of Czech Women Championship will start soon
Laman [1d\]: yes, our new star is on the video
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: >\]
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: :)
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;B[qd]
;W[dp]
;B[dc]
;W[qp]
;B[cn]
;W[cl]
;B[cq]
;W[cp]
;B[dq]
;W[ep]
;B[bp]
;W[bo]
;B[bq]
;W[co]
;B[fq]
;W[de]C[Laman [1d\]: these 4 player groups have one disadvantage - if there is a tie, there are virtually no tiebreakers
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;B[cg]
;W[cc]
;B[cd]
;W[dd]
;B[ce]
;W[cf]
;B[df]
;W[bf]
;B[bc]
;W[cb]
;B[be]C[losos: why are they taking so long to play this out? :-)
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: :)
Laman [1d\]: E17 not only choice
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: but w has two choices now
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: b13 and e17
Laman [1d\]: which direction is preferable? B13?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: because w has a ladder
losos: hmm
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: i would play b13
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;W[ec]C[SqueezeIt [3d\]: ?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: b has also two choices
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: b18 and b13
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;B[dg]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: but this is a mistake
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: should have played b18 first
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: it´s so huge
losos: w doesn't have to reply b18 though
pojki [4d\]: aw, its not huge at all, its just important as it is few sente points :)
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: so it´s huge :)
losos: this move is strange
pojki [4d\]: no - its small, but its sente for both so it is important... just few free points to grab there :)
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: it´s about 15 points
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;W[oc]
;B[jc]
;W[pe]
;B[qe]
;W[pf]
;B[qg]
;W[fp]
;B[gq]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: this exchange is questionable
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;W[hc]
;B[mc]C[Nitrogen [1k\]: w is around 1d i think
AbleOrange [8k\]: not be a sexest, but overall do men play on another level than women, or is it even?
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;W[qc]
;B[rc]C[Sirka [1d\]: i don't think so ...
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: w is 4k!!!!! :)
AbleOrange [8k\]: so around the same? im thinking of chess when i ask. i know men tend to be better in chess, but then again, men outnumber women in the chess world.
Sirka [1d\]: competition's spirit ?
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;W[qb]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: b 39 min, w 45 min
Laman [1d\]: strongest men are stronger than strongest women, but it is because there are more male players than female players
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: should have cut r14 i think..
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;B[pg]C[the42 [4k\]: is it just me, or is the tre video transmission broken?
Sirka [1d\]: just you
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;W[nf]C[the42 [4k\]: :( thx
Farflame [2d\]: working
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: shouldnt be a problem with the video
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;B[qj]C[Sirka [1d\]: too small :s
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;W[oq]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: b18 is so big...
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;B[qm]C[the42 [4k\]: works now, somehow opera works better than failfox
Sirka [1d\]: q10 is better than r10  i think
pojki [4d\]: now b18 really big as black does not care much about losing the atari possibility when the h17 stone is present..
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: yeah
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;W[lq]C[Uberdude [3d?\]: yes b18 looks good timing now
Uberdude [3d?\]: huh what is f4 doing
Uberdude [3d?\]: such a bad exchange
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: f4 is a bad exchange of course
pojki [4d\]: still i think white has a very good chance in this game
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;B[bn]
;W[an]C[Danielsan [2k\]: lol it would be cool if those moves were so fast in live game
Laman [1d\]: F4 could be playable if you were building a moyo at the left side, no? (certainly not the case here, but i sometimes play like that)
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: yes
Danielsan [2k\]: g5 better for that maybe?
SqueezeIt [3d\]: or when the bottom is completely solved and no aji left..
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Jitka looks sad
Sirka [1d\]: g4 
pojki [4d\]: is there any other possible response than atari?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: tenku ;)
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: tenuki
pojki [4d\]: jistka looks on the cam that she didnt expect white to respond this way
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;B[cj]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: now b18 really huge
Danielsan [2k\]: Why now, because w no longer has aji with the b14 group?
pojki [4d\]: its getting bigger and bigger! :)
Sirka [1d\]: g4 and white can  cry ? :D
Danielsan [2k\]: After b c10 I mean
Laman [1d\]: B18 easy to miss :)
Sirka [1d\]: why b18 really big ?
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;W[ck]C[pojki [4d\]: hight dan players play exactly the same way as kyu do, the only difference is that they see the importance of the b18 types and always play it :)
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: :)
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: yeah :)
Uberdude [3d?\]: high dan?
pojki [4d\]: which - as lukan said - is about 15 pts, so playing such thing twice in a game just gives you 30pts, which is usualy enough to beat kyus :)
Fanaticism [6k\]: isn t B18 gote?
the42 [4k\]: 15 pts in sente is twice as much
Danielsan [2k\]: is b18 big because it's double sente?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: b18 is not gote for sure
Danielsan [2k\]: Why not big before?
Laman [1d\]: big from the beginning
Danielsan [2k\]: Because b didn't have c10, and w could use aji of two stones at b14 in a way other than b18?
Uberdude [3d?\]: b made a joseki mistake at d13
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: joseki in the top left corner is when b exchanges b18 first
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: than d13
Uberdude [3d?\]: if she gets b18, that mistake and w answer that mistae becomes a good move
Uberdude [3d?\]: as saves a move
Danielsan [2k\]: I see thanks
pojki [4d\]: b18 is super important as its sente for both - so the player who gets there first gets free points
Uberdude [3d?\]: so it is important to punish the bad move
losos: I'm not really a fan of the top right w group
Laman [1d\]: but once you miss it when playing the joseki, you don't return back very much
Uberdude [3d?\]: and not let it be a good move
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;B[bj]C[Fanaticism [6k\]: i mean if white B18 then black takes B14 and if BlackB14c white. will take D18, so either opponent strengthens his wall after B18
Laman [1d\]: i wouldn't see it if you weren't talking about it all the time :(
KevDepaix [4k\]: b18
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: KevDepaix: we know :)
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;W[bm]C[KevDepaix [4k\]: xD
KevDepaix [4k\]: ^^ 
Uberdude [3d?\]: i hope someone plays it soon
Sirka [1d\]: b18 g4
Uberdude [3d?\]: or this kibitz is going to boring
Vayoo [6k\]: b18 is about 15 pt or else ?
Danielsan [2k\]: I see b18 as being about 10 points though
Sirka [1d\]: say "hello" at the webcam :D
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: b18 is about 15 pts
Danielsan [2k\]: I'm just counting wrong then
Vayoo [6k\]: oh 
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: 15pts for both sides
KevDepaix [4k\]:  soon. . .
Danielsan [2k\]: I read 4 points more territory for w, and 6 less for b as opposed to if b gets it
pojki [4d\]: when something is double sente you dont have to even think about how big it actually is. just play there and in 98% cases it will be good :)
Danielsan [2k\]: If it's double sente it's good, if it's not good it's not double sente right?
cheater [7d\]: B18 best move for both
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: yeah
Danielsan [2k\]: like endgame double sente being played in midgame when it's too slow
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: b 23 min, w 29 min
pojki [4d\]: sente cannot be slow - when you play it you still have enough speed to get the biggest gote :)
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;B[je]C[Danielsan [2k\]: I mean a move that is sente in yose for example, but it's slow because there is bigger sente or even gote elsewhere
pojki [4d\]: why did Jitka laugh? :)
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;W[kd]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: dont ask ;)
Sirka [1d\]: beurk o_o
Vayoo [6k\]: *0*
Sirka [1d\]: l16 is beurk :p
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;B[jd]C[Danielsan [2k\]: beurk?
pojki [4d\]: what is beurk ?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: focus on the game please ;)
Danielsan [2k\]: I feel I'm robbed of a great secret here.
Sirka [1d\]: oh sorry ... beurk = bad ... in french ;)
Vayoo [6k\]: thx
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;W[md]
;B[lb]
;W[og]
;B[qf]C[Iva [13k?\]: Is this live?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: yes
Vayoo [6k\]: what about p16 ?
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;W[kc]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: p16 is completely bad
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;B[kb]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: just let white to connect
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;W[ib]C[Uberdude [3d?\]: hmm, so go watch a 9d game, come back, and they still haven't played b18!
Nitrogen [1k\]: got any results somewhere?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: www.egoban.cz
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: just in czech
Laman [1d\]: or https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AiqhGiuYvxiHdEVxZzRONG82YTA2dnZ1OHlEWDctbmc&hl=cs&pli=1#gid=0
cheater [7d\]: m16
Nitrogen [1k\]: thx
Vayoo [6k\]: m16 good for b right ?
Sirka [1d\]: o16 isn't good ?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Jana Hricova 1k beat Alzbeta Kadlecova 7k by resignation
SqueezeIt [3d\]: first expected result.. :D
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: but Alzbeta played well i heard, but she made a bad mistake
Uberdude [3d?\]: is klara the only czech dan woman?
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;B[jb]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: in this time yes
Uberdude [3d?\]: so quite an open tournament then
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: yes
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: almost everyone can win it
pojki [4d\]: the only qualification is sex :)
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;W[ld]C[Laman [1d\]: actually, it was reserved for 8 women with highest rating
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;B[nc]C[Laman [1d\]: (+ some not very important conditions)
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;W[od]C[losos: e.g. gender transformation operation not undergone
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;B[mg]
;W[lf]
;B[gb]C[Uberdude [3d?\]: cmon b18 please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: :)
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: yeah, now it is good time :)
Kachnak [2d\]: i dont get the purpose of the last move?
Uberdude [3d?\]: i probably have time to get on a plane and fly to czechia before they play b18
Laman [1d\]: losos: well, i meant more something like "at least 3 tournaments played during the last year"
losos: Laman: yeah, I know
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;W[hb]
;B[fd]C[losos: plan?
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;W[fc]C[losos: seems to work
Milos [5k\]: time?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: b 3 min, w 14 min
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;B[ee]
;W[db]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: so now b18 is not so big
Vayoo [6k\]: if b play G16, white must h17 right
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;B[gd]
;W[gc]C[Vayoo [6k\]: -*-
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;B[oh]C[Uberdude [3d?\]: q9 ?
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;W[kg]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Alzbeta and Jana are watching the game
kairos [-\]: w has no points
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;B[ig]C[cheater [7d\]: b+ here
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;W[fk]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: yeah, now its very difficult for w
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;B[jq]C[pojki [4d\]: w let black to protect the r14 weakness too easily
pojki [4d\]: hard now when the right side became points
wildaxt [3k\]: she already won against a dan ... so she doesnt need pity :D 
Sirka [1d\]: h5 ? are useless ?
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;W[gp]
;B[pq]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: b wanna play with fire, also she has just thirty seconds to byo
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: w 5 min
losos: I would expect nothing less from Jitka :-)
Laman [1d\]: black doesn't need this, does she? :)
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: probably not :)
gaius [1k\]: was she just reading KGS kibitz on the screen? :O
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Klara Zaloudkova 2d beat Tereza Chladkova 11k by a lot 
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;W[pp]
;B[or]C[losos: what is the solution when 3 people are tied for 1st place?
gaius [1k\]: use losos points?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: i think rating
losos: lol
Kachnak [2d\]: :/
losos: ok, thx
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;W[pr]
;B[nq]C[Laman [1d\]: first is mutual game, second sodos, but neither would break the tie, so third is rating
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;W[op]C[Milos [5k\]: rating AFTER tournament
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: b in byo
Laman [1d\]: Milos: not very important for this group
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;B[nr]C[kairos [-\]: wow
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: m4 now
Milos [5k\]: yep, but there was a question
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;W[mp]C[Kachnak [2d\]: if so loli has to win 3 games to enter the semifinals...
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;B[np]
;W[no]C[Kachnak [2d\]: right?
Milos [5k\]: anyway :)
Laman [1d\]: no
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: probably
BlackDalia [4d\]: o2 was really slow
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;B[lr]C[Laman [1d\]: if Jitka beats Klára, it is enough for Loli
cheater [7d\]: hm big ko
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: w in byo too
Kachnak [2d\]: what are the odds of that happening ? :)
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;W[kr]
;B[kq]C[Sirka [1d\]: n5 m5 p5 r3 
Laman [1d\]: what were the odds of Loli beating Klára? :D
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: only chance for w
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;W[mr]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: w lost one period
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;B[mq]
;W[ls]
;B[lp]
;W[mo]
;B[lr]C[Kachnak [2d\]: now not exchanging b18 might come handy...
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;W[ae]C[Sirka [1d\]: b18 ^^
losos: i see no threats for b
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;B[ms]
;W[bd]C[pojki [4d\]: cool
losos: wow
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;B[on]C[lazoulu [5k\]: not good at all
gaius [1k\]: E3 threat looked bigger though...
pojki [4d\]: w sure is happy that she didnt play b18 before :)
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: E3 was better yeah
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;W[oo]
;B[qr]
;W[qq]
;B[ps]
;W[rr]
;B[pq]C[losos: not playing b18 was a masterpiece for w :-)
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: :D
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;W[pn]C[Danielsan [2k\]: W planned this ko all along
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;B[pm]
;W[om]
;B[ol]
;W[nm]
;B[rs]C[pojki [4d\]: ! and even if b played there first the result would be still better for w than if w played there first !
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;W[pr]
;B[mf]
;W[me]
;B[pq]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: o8
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;W[sr]
;B[ej]
;W[fj]
;B[qn]
;W[po]
;B[ro]C[cheater [7d\]: lol this is so bad for w
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;W[nl]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: yes
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;B[ek]
;W[el]
;B[fl]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: here we go :)
losos: cool
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;W[hk]C[kairos [-\]: o.o
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: why not g8...
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;B[fm]C[gaius [1k\]: I thought it was game over, but now a last chance for white??
Kachnak [2d\]: maybe feeling behind and tryes to play more activly
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: hi Harry :)
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;W[em]C[Vayoo [6k\]: end ?
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;B[hm]
;W[jk]
;B[fi]
;W[io]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: thats a chance
pojki [4d\]: b is in trouble
lazoulu [5k\]: nice
kairos [-\]: yes
Danielsan [2k\]: I don't see why b played f11 when he's ahead
gaius [1k\]: she*
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: she ;)
Danielsan [2k\]: sorry, she*
Danielsan [2k\]: :)
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;B[jm]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: l6
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;W[kn]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: b lost one period
Vayoo [6k\]: :)
leachy [4k\]: go loli go!
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: both players has 30 seconds 2 time
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;B[km]
;W[ln]C[DavidA [13k?\]: l9
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;B[kk]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: bum!
Vayoo [6k\]: เนก
Danielsan [2k\]: I were thinking w could have played m8
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;W[kj]C[SqueezeIt [3d\]: well w shouldn't win this :D
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;B[ij]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: ?
pojki [4d\]: L6 should be at L5 - b would not get a perfect forcing move then
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;W[jj]
;B[ik]
;W[il]
;B[hl]C[SqueezeIt [3d\]: I mean b was better whole the game
losos: w lost
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: w should have played j9 instead of k10
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: that was only chance
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;W[ii]
;B[hj]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: w resigned
SqueezeIt [3d\]: my congratulations to jitka :)
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