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GN[Czech Women Championship 2010 Final]PW[Klara Zaloudkova]PB[Anna Prokopova]WR[2d]BR[1k]DT[2010-12-05]EV[Czech Women Championship 2010]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Lukan]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: good afternoon, the final of Czech Women Championship starts now
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;W[nc]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: video: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-Czech
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;W[dh]C[killerGO [3k\]: chech women playing go.... cannot get much better :)
jeffywhite [1d\]: lol
Curiot [1d?\]: what are their strength?
jeffywhite [1d\]: look at white and black
jeffywhite [1d\]: man i wish i was a czech woman, i could be competitive in this
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;W[ee]C[killerGO [3k\]: how come?
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;B[dd]C[jeffywhite [1d\]: it says they are only 2d and 1k
killerGO [3k\]: LOL only
Cidragon [5k\]: girls fight¿?
killerGO [3k\]: this 2d is probably 4-5d on KGS
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: we are czech, so they are maybe one rank stronger ;)
jeffywhite [1d\]: yeah for a championship thats not so good
Sandmann [-\]: w could have chosen d16 instead of f15
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;W[fc]C[missklick [?\]: i bet both are stronger than you kds 1dan^^
jeffywhite [1d\]: i imagine so
jeffywhite [1d\]: but it would still be competive
missklick [?\]: right^^
Ukasuhs [2d\]: senseis says a euro 1k is kgs 1d-2d
Sandmann [-\]: you can try in the austrian women's championship
killerGO [3k\]: i like thier hair color maches stones thier playing with :)
Curiot [1d?\]: are they still single?
to1al [6k?\]: >D
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;B[cc]C[Ukasuhs [2d\]: and senseis says euro 2d is kgs 4d
Cidragon [5k\]: :O
Sandmann [-\]: euro is big village
Ukasuhs [2d\]: ya
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: but czech ranks are stronger than euro ;)
pojki [4d\]: lol, phuck u boys, comment the game instead :p
jeffywhite [1d\]: yeah so i probably wouldnt beat white :D
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;B[bd]C[missklick [?\]: they wouls squeeze and clamp you curiot, br carfull
jeffywhite [1d\]: k16 
Sandmann [-\]: i bet he'd like that
Curiot [1d?\]: ho ho ho
killerGO [3k\]: id like the blond pulling her best tesuji on me :)
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;W[jd]C[Curiot [1d?\]: I would love to play them all day long
missklick [?\]: wht is w proper  top site move here?
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;B[dr]C[missklick [?\]: this one?
jeffywhite [1d\]: white played correctly
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;W[oh]C[Sandmann [-\]: k16 is tthe first move that comes to the mind
missklick [?\]: yeah
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes
missklick [?\]: seems it does the job
Ukasuhs [2d\]: maybe trouble later if b l16 l17 j16 
Ukasuhs [2d\]: but too early to try it now
pojki [4d\]: I like white
killerGO [3k\]: is it obligatory they to die thier hair in order to match the color of thier stones?
missklick [?\]: maybe j16 was hontr
missklick [?\]: honte
Sandmann [-\]: it's really solid, it would be illogical to try anything funny there
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;B[og]C[missklick [?\]: since w allready a bit ahead
Ukasuhs [2d\]: i said "maybe" and "later"
Sandmann [-\]: ...
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: results here: https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AiqhGiuYvxiHdEVxZzRONG82YTA2dnZ1OHlEWDctbmc&hl=cs&pli=1#gid=0
pojki [4d\]: killergo dont be too excited about seeing a girl on webcam and concern about the game pls :)
Sirka [1d\]: o13 is better than c3 ?
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;B[hp]C[jeffywhite [1d\]: he got both
Curiot [1d?\]: girls playing at dan levels just scare me 
jeffywhite [1d\]: she*
Eliza [2k\]: women
pojki [4d\]: d9 and white is better I think
Murete [2d\]: lol
Uberdude [3d?\]: yes d9 looks decent
killerGO [3k\]: white has problems imho
missklick [?\]: ups b ahead by 5-10^^
Uberdude [3d?\]: or maybe some shenanigans on lower side
missklick [?\]: nice black
Curiot [1d?\]: I am now seeing both girls, they are so beautiful ..
killerGO [3k\]: nah, i still prefere blond one :)
Nadirator [28k\]: photo please )
Laman [1d\]: video: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-Czech
killerGO [3k\]: LOL
Nadirator [28k\]: )
Sandmann [-\]: there should be more girls playing go in my country ttoo
Eliza [2k\]: women
Curiot [1d?\]: ha ha
Sandmann [-\]: girls
Sandmann [-\]: :p
Mdx [6k\]: pedo
Curiot [1d?\]: Eliza, I respect you utter determination'
Eliza [2k\]: ok.... that's your problem
Sirka [1d\]: i'm desesperate ... you can't see women play ... for the play and no women ??? >_>
Chrom [4k\]: it has to begin early girls -> women
Fiktik [2k\]: what happened with the video? we can no longer see white stones..
Mdx [6k\]: they got abducted
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: photos from the tournament: http://picasaweb.google.com/milos.podpera/CzechWomenChampionshipSheeryjay?feat=directlink#
JoyDivine [7k\]: cool
Fiktik [2k\]: riight, now its better :)
bisquit [6k\]: do you have to sign up to view the video or is there a guest login?
killerGO [3k\]: anyone knows the name of the gril from video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt-9qzklz54  
killerGO [3k\]: 1m53
killerGO [3k\]: ?
Sandmann [-\]: signing up is free
Wagaboo [7k\]: big move
Sandmann [-\]: unless you choose to donate
Goemon [1k\]: c13 c14 d9 ?
Wagaboo [7k\]: w should strenghthen d12
pojki [4d\]: is there any other possibility than c13 followed by d9? :)
Curiot [1d?\]: they both play so conservatively, not a single drop of blood is leaking
jeffywhite [1d\]: What's long, hard, and some women get it on their wedding night?
Laman [1d\]: killerGO: i would say Rita Pocsai, but i might be wrong
jeffywhite [1d\]: a czech last name
Uberdude [3d?\]: maybe consider g14 
kostuek [-\]: stone buddhas
Uberdude [3d?\]: but given n15 not so interesting
Syptryn [5d?\]: played Anna in the STudent OZA's in Japan this year
Syptryn [5d?\]: her game was very peaceful :)
Sirka [1d\]: pojki .;. c13 followed by d9 is strange o_o
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: pojki: c13 is mistake, c12 is better
Uberdude [3d?\]: sure?
Uberdude [3d?\]: c12 is easier to tenuki
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: you wanna tenuku c12??
Uberdude [3d?\]: as w cut b can c14 more happily
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: tenuki
Goemon [1k\]: c12 doesnt do anything to b?
Syptryn [5d?\]: d-14 cut works
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;W[lm]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: whoa
Sirka [1d\]: c12 ? white strong but .... c12 is soft o_o
Goemon [1k\]: m7 is more like a pass move
Syptryn [5d?\]: c-12 is standard
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes
radzik23 [?\]: now it works
Curiot [1d?\]: ho ho, 
Wagaboo [7k\]: b c10 or c9 would be grt
Syptryn [5d?\]: what is purpose of m7 :S
Curiot [1d?\]: a very cloudy move
Syptryn [5d?\]: mis not big
Syptryn [5d?\]: mid
Goemon [1k\]: l6 b .. now what?
Wagaboo [7k\]: m7 aim faor the bottomand moyo maybe ?
Syptryn [5d?\]: is white want to do something to bottom, H-4 directly
Syptryn [5d?\]: err j4 
kostuek [-\]: c9
Uberdude [3d?\]: yu chang hyeok might play this
Curiot [1d?\]: what is the prize money for the winner of this match?
Sirka [1d\]: she wan't invaded ? 
stefkouts [7k\]: W aiming k3/k4?
Sirka [1d\]: hum ...
Sirka [1d\]: l4 i prefere ^^
SqueezeIt [3d\]: curiot: I'd say around 50 euros
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: the first prize is 1500 czech crowns, so thats about 60 euros
Sirka [1d\]: small prize :s
Curiot [1d?\]: i would invade at C10
decHunger [7k\]: thats the natural flow
Curiot [1d?\]: only 50 euro?, that wont even cover the travel cost
Sirka [1d\]: woman's wage is low :p
pojki [4d\]: travel costs are zero :)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 60 euro ;)
Curiot [1d?\]: almost insulting I would say
pojki [4d\]: give them more curiot
Diletta [11k\]: yes Curiot, why so low?
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;B[mg]C[Sirka [1d\]: but ... playing go and win are better prize :) 
Curiot [1d?\]: I like to but ...
Diletta [11k\]: how much was the men's prize?
Nadirator [28k\]: black go go go!!!
Gonzalate [2d\]: As there is a czech woman champion, maybe czech federation should also suport the women champion for european women championship...
Gonzalate [2d\]: woman*champion
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;W[li]C[Diletta [11k\]: how much was the men'sprize, anybody knows?
kostuek [-\]: this is not yu chang hyeok
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;B[qk]C[pojki [4d\]: oh, the last three moves were.. very interesting
Wagaboo [7k\]: i don't
to1al [6k?\]: in austria open first place take 250
Goemon [1k\]: w's last 2 moves dont make anything ?
Sirka [1d\]: money isn't important in go ... only to pay your costs mayby
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;B[rl]C[decHunger [7k\]: what about b's last moves?
kokotron [1d\]: w seems quite  behind on terr.
kokotron [1d\]: k3 is comming
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;W[ch]C[decHunger [7k\]: w nows whats important :D
Koffein [3d\]: high price money in tournaments only help to gather more high dan players
Curiot [1d?\]: so B missed a chance to invade at c19
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;B[cf]C[kokotron [1d\]: this is cool move :-)
Curiot [1d?\]: C10
flashback [7d\]: soft game
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: d9 is very big
Uberdude [3d?\]: b14 better?
Wagaboo [7k\]: wasn't that a little slow?
Diletta [11k\]: of course Sirka money is not important, but  men and women have the same costs
flashback [7d\]: c14 correct
Gonzalate [2d\]: no, this is not money which is gathering dan players, this is the place and the fact that tournament is big or not, as national, international or else
kokotron [1d\]: Dieltta: no, women drink and eat less.
flashback [7d\]: d8 or d9?
kokotron [1d\]: usually
Uberdude [3d?\]: g7 
Diletta [11k\]: @ kokotron LOL
Uberdude [3d?\]: be ambitious!
Curiot [1d?\]: but they buy cosmetics
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;W[ip]C[Wagaboo [7k\]: ooh j4
Diletta [11k\]: and shoes, yes...and bags... :)
the42 [4k\]: shoes...
flashback [7d\]: c12 and tenuki ?
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;B[iq]C[flashback [7d\]: thats wrong logic
stefkouts [7k\]: why?
Goemon [1k\]: k3 
Koffein [3d\]: yes, now c12 is just a heavy group
Curiot [1d?\]: Eliza, are you offended by our silly conversation?
kokotron [1d\]: maybe w expects to build some outside stones here and then make bigger moyo
Uberdude [3d?\]: c14 meams w g14 less good
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;W[io]C[IkoIkogo [1d\]: should extend with D8...
Goemon [1k\]: h3 
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: k5
Uberdude [3d?\]: h3 weak
Uberdude [3d?\]: give w capture too kind
Uberdude [3d?\]: and gote unless you want a ko
flashback [7d\]: c12 makes 2 stones heavy, if w let b invade around d9 it will be easire fight for b
flashback [7d\]: j3 wasnt the best choice here
flashback [7d\]: it should be j4
Ukasuhs [2d\]: umm
flashback [7d\]: or just h3
flashback [7d\]: to get sente
flashback [7d\]: and play d9
SqueezeIt [3d\]: j4?
kokotron [1d\]: j4 was the w move :-)
flashback [7d\]: this way w will get stroger outside, which will help for the fight when b invades d9
flashback [7d\]: j3 to j4
flashback [7d\]: *j5
flashback [7d\]: :)
SqueezeIt [3d\]: ah
SqueezeIt [3d\]: ^^
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: :)
Sirka [1d\]: h4 is bad ?
to1al [6k?\]: photos > http://picasaweb.google.com/milos.podpera/CzechWomenChampionshipSheeryjay?feat=directlink#
Syptryn [5d?\]: well
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;B[ir]C[Syptryn [5d?\]: what?
kokotron [1d\]: new move?
Syptryn [5d?\]: is that!
Syptryn [5d?\]: lol
cannelle [-\]: :)
Syptryn [5d?\]: not a good move
Syptryn [5d?\]: l4 
Sirka [1d\]: h4 is better >_>
ogolony [-\]: h5 
Syptryn [5d?\]: maybe h5 
kokotron [1d\]: gets sente though?
LeFourBe [4d\]: w will get a nice moyo at the center
Ukasuhs [2d\]: w could just fix the d9 weakness now too
Syptryn [5d?\]: what weakness
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: b and w 37 minutes left
Syptryn [5d?\]: white is way thick
kokotron [1d\]: 5 space extension is kinda weak
Syptryn [5d?\]: black d9 is target...
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;W[kp]C[Syptryn [5d?\]: I'd live it if black played D-9
Syptryn [5d?\]: love it
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;B[fn]C[Syptryn [5d?\]: now fix d-9 :)
Ukasuhs [2d\]: ok well now w has to fix
kokotron [1d\]: w is not unhappy
kokotron [1d\]: to fix
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: anna looks really unhappy
Uberdude [3d?\]: d9 spank you very much
SqueezeIt [3d\]: w should actually be very happy
Syptryn [5d?\]: Anna's style is too conservative
Nadirator [28k\]: anna looks good! )
Syptryn [5d?\]: my game with her in Student OZA was invovled no fights
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;B[ie]C[ogolony [-\]: j14 
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;W[ic]C[lament [2k?\]: by the way, euro, i admire you. sacrificing your time to be surrounded by pretty girls for several days... admirable
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;B[jf]C[to1al [6k?\]: :D
FrodosGban [9k\]: they do the guys too i believe^^
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: :)
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;W[cr]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 17,5 pts ^^
Goemon [1k\]: d9 
Nadirator [28k\]: go black go! )
Sirka [1d\]: d9 is interesting 
erkkierkki [5k\]: seems ultra gote for white :D
FrodosGban [9k\]: plus dont make it harder for girls...i bet there are enough guys just w8ting to show them their stones...as a girl i wouldnt like to be surrounded by guys just watching my boobs or face instead of my style...
erkkierkki [5k\]: d9 i mean
ogolony [-\]: r3 for W
Goemon [1k\]: d9 b
pojki [4d\]: d9 not so great
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;B[mn]C[Goemon [1k\]: stealing some points from moyo
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;W[mm]
;B[ln]C[Sirka [1d\]: pojki ... after d9 can be interesting
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;B[km]C[Jonka [4k\]: nice
Ukasuhs [2d\]: after d9 w just connects and b has no shape
Warlord [-\]: do or die
Ukasuhs [2d\]: and b cant b12 anymore
pojki [4d\]: easy for w to defend against d9
pojki [4d\]: looks like if w does not die anywhere w wins
ogolony [-\]: k7 l8 m9 
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;W[im]C[Syptryn [5d?\]: this cut smells like overplay
Sirka [1d\]: ogo ... yes but white lose many influence
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;W[jk]C[Jonka [4k\]: syptryn: maybe but b has to do something
nambk [3k\]: like O7?
decHunger [7k\]: the cut at o7 looks good now
Jonka [4k\]: o7 now?
cherisse [1d\]: ooo yeee
Syptryn [5d?\]: probably best black can hope for, but its gote
cherisse [1d\]: tv? ^^
ogolony [-\]: o7 
lament [2k?\]: very hard for b
Pingu007 [3d\]: o7 and l9 look like interesting aji for b isnt it?
Ukasuhs [2d\]: and m10
lament [2k?\]: i think if o7 w should just play ~f8
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;W[ml]C[lament [2k?\]: after these exchanges, ofc
ogolony [-\]: l10 :\]
ogolony [-\]: or n9 o8 n11 
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;B[mi]
;W[mj]C[Fiktik [2k\]: m10 now?
Ukasuhs [2d\]: n9
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;B[mk]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: looks interesting
pojki [4d\]: trick :) o8
kokotron [1d\]: after o8 b can escape though
FrodosGban [9k\]: lets pray b goes on like a dan^^
ogolony [-\]: m9 
pojki [4d\]: w can sacrifice n10 when needed
Wagaboo [7k\]: hurting place
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: b 19min, w 22min
Wagaboo [7k\]: thx EuroGo
pojki [4d\]: atari looks like a mistake here, just o8
Nadirator [28k\]: /
Wagaboo [7k\]: yep o8 is a good answer
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;W[lk]
;B[nk]C[pojki [4d\]: maybye sacrificing three stones is also okay now
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;W[ll]C[cherisse [1d\]: b not bad but not enuf... :(
Wagaboo [7k\]: o10 ?
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;B[nl]C[Wagaboo [7k\]: o10 looks rly good
ogolony [-\]: o10 
pojki [4d\]: m10, w okay
Sirka [1d\]: white can sacrifice fort  
Sirka [1d\]: for* l7 
DanieI [-\]: klara :) i remember her
Curiot [1d?\]: N12 is better
LeT63 [-\]: m10 o6
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;W[nj]C[pojki [4d\]: n12 if w is not afraid of a few complications.. anything is good :)
Sirka [1d\]: eurogotv sleep :D
kokotron [1d\]: still b seems to be just a bit behind
Curiot [1d?\]: a lot behind
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;W[ji]C[kokotron [1d\]: no
kokotron [1d\]: w should q7?
zampa [4k\]: i would go for d10 here witohut thinking xD
Curiot [1d?\]: time to dispatch a mission impossible guerilla team somewhere around d10
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;B[bi]C[zampa [4k\]: without*
kokotron [1d\]: Doordie
wolokom [5k\]: b and white are close to each other  but b seams ahead?
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;W[bh]
;B[dj]C[kokotron [1d\]: coutned b +5
kokotron [1d\]: w+5 sory
ogolony [-\]: na to to by nawet Fisz nie wpadł
cherisse [1d\]: hehe niiice 
Nadirator [28k\]: go black go!!!
decHunger [7k\]: is e11 the best move?
wolokom [5k\]: typiical tchec republic
pojki [4d\]: ? :)
Curiot [1d?\]: SE is largely stupid becase it can't figure out life and death situation, otherwise it is accurate, only useful after the game ended
kokotron [1d\]: SE is the truth
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;W[ej]C[Inglorious [1d\]: b is so dying there
decHunger [7k\]: so?
Inglorious [1d\]: sooooo dying
nambk [3k\]: sorry
nambk [3k\]: what dows SE mean
Curiot [1d?\]: not quite as yet
pojki [4d\]: curiot, se is very useful even when its wrong - if you are not stupid you can take its scores and alter them a bit to eliminate mistakes :)
krakengo [1k?\]: E11 ?
nambk [3k\]: semi?
Inglorious [1d\]: score estimator
nambk [3k\]: thanks :)
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;B[ek]
;W[cj]C[kokotron [1d\]: it's more like guEsstimator
Curiot [1d?\]: if you need alter it , you better count it yourself using your brain
wolokom [5k\]: no the will give stones to wihite to destroy area
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;B[ei]
;W[dk]C[LeT63 [-\]: b success
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;B[fj]C[cherisse [1d\]: gj
pebarefoot [-\]: Silly )or Stupid) Estimator
pojki [4d\]: b fails, b11 - b12 exchange hurts black, b could play d10 without it
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: b and w 13 mins left
krakengo [1k?\]: b looks nervous
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;W[pm]
;B[qn]
;W[oo]
;B[np]C[Curiot [1d?\]: b just lost, no more place left to stir things
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;W[po]C[pojki [4d\]: b can still get lucky in the endgame
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;B[qo]
;W[qj]
;B[rk]C[Curiot [1d?\]: expecting W's mistakes?
krakengo [1k?\]: with ? H17 ?
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;W[db]C[Curiot [1d?\]: that is stupid indeed
wolokom [5k\]: can one tell the internet adress
wolokom [5k\]: to see them
pojki [4d\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-Czech
Curiot [1d?\]: tv doesn't seem to work very well
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(;B[di]C[pojki [4d\]: works perfectly for me
Curiot [1d?\]: good on you
Fuling [6k\]: yepp, same here. probably something on your end of the line curiot.
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(;B[ck]
;W[bj]C[Curiot [1d?\]: my isp is not good so that could be the problem
bisquit [6k\]: o12
to1al [6k?\]: times?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: b 7 min, w 9 min left
to1al [6k?\]: thx
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: d7
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;B[dm]
;W[cm]
;B[el]
;W[cl]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: b resigned
Sirka [1d\]: j8 
SqueezeIt [3d\]: thanks
FrodosGban [9k\]: why?
pojki [4d\]: congrats Klára!
Pig [?\]: ???
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: she said, she doesnt wanna play the endgame, he wouldnt fight it back
wolokom [5k\]: seltsam
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: but Klara is still suprised, that Anna resigned
SqueezeIt [3d\]: well me too
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Anna said, she is losing by 15
SqueezeIt [3d\]: is she?
Curiot [1d?\]: that sounds about right
pojki [4d\]: she is - w gets b18 or e2
leachy [4k\]: yeah but shouldn't just give up like that...there is endgame technique to examine
Uberdude [3d?\]: i tihnk much closer
Uberdude [3d?\]: quick playout gives w + 1.5
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: so, Klara is a Czech Women Champion, thanks for watching!
leachy [4k\]: can gain a few points in endgame and clinch it....not just give up so easy
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