(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3600]OT[15/300 Canadian] GN[PGEC09 (Hwang-Zhurakovski)]PW[In-Seong Hwang]PB[Bohdan Zhurakovskyj]WR[7d]BR[5d]DT[2009-07-19]EV[Moyo Open 09]RO[6]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/] ;B[pd] ;W[dp]C[scurge [5d\]: neeee, mi chceme medved vs artem jestli hrajou spolu! brumla [5d?\]: PGE - muzes prosim rict dalsi los? ] ;B[qp] ;W[oq] ;B[cd] ;W[qf] ;B[nc] ;W[qm] ;B[po] ;W[pi] ;B[lq]C[mafutrct [-\]: thanks javaness Chilltime [2k\]: thanks meuns [2k\]: where are the results ? ] ;W[oo]C[mafutrct [-\]: could you please post the link to the results again? brumla [5d?\]: after 5. round , nowhere so far brumla [5d?\]: http://ivan.kostka.sweb.cz/Vysledky/Pardubice%2009/PAR4.TXT brumla [5d?\]: this is after 4th meuns [2k\]: thx ] ;B[pm]C[mafutrct [-\]: alright, thanks :) ] ;W[pp]C[PGEC09CZ [?\]: PGEC09 r6 board1 W In-Seong Hwang 7d B Bohdan Zhurakovskyj 5d mishik [6k\]: Why Lisy, Pavol is on 10th place with 4 pts? BigDouNub: pairings for round 5? BigDouNub: who is silt's opponent? brumla [5d?\]: for 5th round it was Pavol Lisy brumla [5d?\]: for 6th round propably Artem BigDouNub: aha ] ;B[qo]C[meuns [2k\]: i want to see artem against Hwang ! ] ;W[qq] ;B[rq]C[scurge [5d\]: PGEC09CZ i believe you can see onadrej silt's opponent could you tell us!? Javaness [2d\]: don't bully poor PGEC09CZ DJtal [3k\]: artem 6d now ? meuns [2k\]: artem rules ] ;W[rr] ;B[on] ;W[no]C[Javaness [2d\]: the ukrainians didn't promote Artem yet meuns [2k\]: damn... Javaness [2d\]: I guess they think he is weak ] ;B[ql]C[meuns [2k\]: he can beat all the ukrainians ! maksymko [7k\]: with a stick! ] ;W[rp]C[meuns [2k\]: ^^ Javaness [2d\]: black is ukrainian, right ] ;B[ro]C[maksymko [7k\]: Ukraine rule! DJtal [3k\]: ca fais penser a la pression que mettait l'urss sur les autres pays du bloc de l'est pour les sportifs meuns [2k\]: tenuki ] ;W[iq]C[Javaness [2d\]: feels like white wants to win quickly scurge [5d\]: http://www.europeangodatabase.eu/EGD/Player_Card.php?&key=12662870 this is artem's last result... looks very impressiv ] ;B[cn] ;W[fp]C[BigDouNub: ty kravo to bude masakr meuns [2k\]: seems close ] ;B[dj] ;W[fc]C[Javaness [2d\]: I like black so far actually ] ;B[ed] ;W[db] ;B[hc] ;W[fd]C[melchen [4d\]: i prefer w's fighting power =) mishik [6k\]: SE lol ) ] ;B[ec]C[mafutrct [-\]: white got a lot of profit already.. difficult for black, i think ] ;W[eb]C[mishik [6k\]: +0.5 ) BigDouNub: i prefer w nationality ] ;B[cc]C[BigDouNub: sureproof way to win maksymko [7k\]: too early to make fun of se mishik [6k\]: That's why "lol" :) ] ;W[hd]C[XXXXXXXXX: se seems right XXXXXXXXX: good estimate dmwit [3k\]: If SE says +0.5, it's probably within 3-4 points of being right. dmwit [3k\]: Not bad, for this early in the game! Chilltime [2k\]: nah i think w will crush this 6d Javaness [2d\]: 5d Chilltime [2k\]: oh then uber crush ^^ ] ;B[gb] ;W[fb]C[dmwit [3k\]: Although now SE says W+45.5, so that estimate is probably not so close. hehe ] ;B[ic]C[maksymko [7k\]: we'll see about that :) Larrave [4k\]: someone playing kobayashi against the master of it;P Wildcard [11k\]: it says m3 is dead to, might not be the case PGEC09CZ [?\]: results after 5 roun and pairing is at www.egoban.cz on the top ] ;W[ff]C[cherisse [2k\]: hmmm wonder if these players also play in kgs scurge [5d\]: wow Jan simara beat Pal balogh!! ] ;B[dg] ;W[je]C[Chilltime [2k\]: in seong is crowis Chilltime [2k\]: wow yay bum Chilltime [2k\]: ^^ dmwit [3k\]: Wildcard: Oh, yeah, if black gets no profit out of M3 I will eat my hat. mafutrct [-\]: crowis does not really play thought :\\ XXXXXXXXX: who is jan simara Chilltime [2k\]: bum Larrave [4k\]: would be bum Lacrimosa [1d\]: that's rude ] ;B[kd] ;W[cl]C[Javaness [2d\]: hot Juli15 [1k\]: scurge: is it a joke? :o Wildcard [11k\]: Black is behind even with m3 i think cherisse [2k\]: poor b doesn't even have time to do something at the bottom part Sandmann [-\]: wat ] ;B[dl]C[Javaness [2d\]: classic ] ;W[dk]C[meuns [2k\]: ^^ Lacrimosa [1d\]: do you like d8 :? meuns [2k\]: yes ^^ Breaker [2k?\]: .. Javaness [2d\]: white is strong like squirrel DJtal [3k\]: what about time pgec09cz please DJtal [3k\]: ? lemuria [3d\]: hmm... maybe b should c10 not d8 ? Breaker [2k?\]: why dont run clocks at kgs? ] ;B[ek] ;W[ck]C[mafutrct [-\]: i thought about c10, too, but maybe w can close the corner then.. crazygo [1k\]: yes, c10 seems better for me too, but he is 5d... DomreiRoam [7k\]: you need to pay extra for the clocks, breaker ] ;B[dm] ;W[cj]C[Wildcard [11k\]: c10 for B would give W influencce in the center DJtal [3k\]: they can buy time DJtal [3k\]: ? Javaness [2d\]: no Hellhuman [5k\]: lOl Javaness [2d\]: is not Ing Breaker [2k?\]: wt hell is he talking Breaker [2k?\]: ^^ ] ;B[di] ;W[bg]C[DJtal [3k\]: thanks Wildcard [11k\]: Is white alive? scurge [5d\]: i think black got tricked :) Javaness [2d\]: hard to believe white would die Javaness [2d\]: 7d tend to know these lines lemuria [3d\]: right in the middle of blacks 'territory' Lacrimosa [1d\]: i don't like d8, heh ] ;B[cg] ;W[bh]C[Breaker [2k?\]: simple line ] ;B[ci] ;W[bi] ;B[fl]C[Prodigious [5d?\]: Not a very appealing result Javaness [2d\]: feels like black was robbed Wildcard [11k\]: Really bad for black cherisse [2k\]: w defend lower left now devastate [6d\]: this is complete disaster for b Javaness [2d\]: black used 20 minutes, white 6 Breaker [2k?\]: l4 mafutrct [-\]: white top grouop is still weak.. Larrave [4k\]: wow^^ Javaness [2d\]: http://EuroGoTV.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-Czech Wildcard [11k\]: White wins Sandmann [-\]: b is not that bad:/ Wildcard [11k\]: Black could resign i think devastate [6d\]: b cant win anymore imo Javaness [2d\]: 11k must be right Kmar [1d\]: he's my sensei Javaness [2d\]: resign please black cherisse [2k\]: b wants to learn more Sandmann [-\]: next b can attack top and right w group Lovepove [7k\]: Oh dear god devastate [6d\]: next w can defend, cos he is sente Lovepove [7k\]: I go away for like 10 minutes and black has like two small spaces of solid territory ] ;W[cf]C[Lovepove [7k\]: go white \\o/ Sandmann [-\]: both groups with one move? meuns [2k\]: resign ? Javaness [2d\]: oh Sandmann [-\]: pulling out m3 is no problem anymore crazygo [1k\]: before resign, black must try to attack severe the bottom w...and after this, resign Lacrimosa [1d\]: sandmann, would you play d8? mafutrct [-\]: can white possibly the group on the right with a move to r9? Sandmann [-\]: i wouldnt play d10 to begin with but its exaggerated to say this is disaster for b Lacrimosa [1d\]: i'm obsessed with that apparently... cherisse [2k\]: what's the good shape for w there, L4? Wildcard [11k\]: black has to respond it seems, is c16 alive if not? cherisse [2k\]: C14 D14 C15 is like some plan Aurele [17k\]: l4 m4 m6 l3 ? Javaness [2d\]: tenuki would be more exciting mafutrct [-\]: yes black has to defend, tenuki seems impossible Javaness [2d\]: it's only 25 points ] ;B[df]C[mafutrct [-\]: white d14 would be too strong ] ;W[ce]C[Wildcard [11k\]: it's 25 points Breaker [2k?\]: v have a nice terrytory Wildcard [11k\]: black can't afford to loose them mafutrct [-\]: it is even more since white connects his weak group evenst: f13 ] ;B[ee]C[Haloran [5k\]: kde se flakas SCURGE brumla [5d?\]: hmm, tohle je strasny vysledek za cerneho ] ;W[gh]C[mafutrct [-\]: g12 enables e10 scurge [5d\]: ja jsem v rumunsku :) Haloran [5k\]: tys jeste neumrel na predavkovani z brokolice Aurele [17k\]: mafutrct: I like your reasoning here ] ;B[fe] ;W[ge]C[Aurele [17k\]: But it was already enabled by k15, wasn't it? mafutrct [-\]: e10 f10 e11 f12 e12 e13 f11 is atari now mafutrct [-\]: no, it did not work earlier ] ;B[qe]C[Javaness [2d\]: suprising Wildcard [11k\]: Why not his lower stone? ] ;W[pf] ;B[ke]C[Javaness [2d\]: it seems that black wants some points mafutrct [-\]: now, e10 f10 e11 f11 e12 f12 e13 f13 e14 g14 works for black again :) Wildcard [11k\]: the group q11 is weak ] ;W[qk]C[cherisse [2k\]: working on it :\] maksymko [7k\]: go Bogdan, go!!! Wildcard [11k\]: It felt like he heard me :P mafutrct [-\]: yay, white agrees on my idea ] ;B[rl] ;W[bp]C[dmwit [3k\]: now resurrect m3 evenst: something shall die now cherisse [2k\]: yeah it looks unstable... cherisse [2k\]: so gutsy to tenuki and defend cherisse [2k\]: i hope b can attack well and get something! Wildcard [11k\]: A close game is always most interesting Javaness [2d\]: these two play like bankers evenst: difficult to find a good attacking move Javaness [2d\]: black used about 30 minutes, white 15 ] ;B[ko]C[dmwit [3k\]: ^_^ Wildcard [11k\]: finally dmwit [3k\]: I will be 5d before you know it. ;-) Javaness [2d\]: I would prefer to play G3 ] ;W[io]C[Javaness [2d\]: no aji mafutrct [-\]: javaness, does g3 work? mafutrct [-\]: g3 g4 h3 j4 maybe? Javaness [2d\]: just want to see the answer :) ] ;B[jp] ;W[ip] ;B[jq]C[lemuria [3d\]: hmm lemuria [3d\]: suprising lemuria [3d\]: is this the game ? :p mafutrct [-\]: seems like black seeks life locally dmwit [3k\]: Black surely seems unconcerned about white's territories. dmwit [3k\]: That surprises me a lot. maksymko [7k\]: it is close now, no? Wildcard [11k\]: Hes just trying ot keep us in suspense :P Wildcard [11k\]: white is leading mafutrct [-\]: actually, white is not that far ahead in territory Wildcard [11k\]: but either way, he is ahead Javaness [2d\]: black about 30 on top, what are the other groups about 15 in total? XXXXXXXXX: lol b lost everythin left side Javaness [2d\]: white, seems ahead in sente mafutrct [-\]: according to my count, the game is within komi alexjhu [10k\]: sente? Lovepove [7k\]: Can't black invade the lower left? I've never liked that formation of b4d4f4 Javaness [2d\]: surely you heard of sente at 10k mafutrct [-\]: no, he cant really invade this, usually alexjhu [10k\]: lol alexjhu [10k\]: all i did was play alexjhu [10k\]: too lazy to read Lovepove [7k\]: ok dmwit [3k\]: Good for you, alexjhu. Wildcard [11k\]: Okay, learn sente and you will instantly become a few ranks better Lovepove [7k\]: I was thinking two peepingmoves around c3 and e3 but alexjhu [10k\]: what is sente? Javaness [2d\]: ask google dmwit [3k\]: "Sente" is the right to move. mafutrct [-\]: look it up yourself, please Aurele [17k\]: Can't white go to g9 and squeeze black even a bit more? Lovepove [7k\]: Senseis library it* dmwit [3k\]: That's the one-sentence answer. evenst: a move that opponent must respond alexjhu [10k\]: i see Javaness [2d\]: white doesn't need to answer K3 scurge [5d\]: i dont understand k3 Javaness [2d\]: so white has the iniative now Lovepove [7k\]: Hmm i'd play like s14 here Lovepove [7k\]: But i am the cautios type bohica [5k\]: So, what will white do next? alexjhu [10k\]: that bottom right ] ;W[jf]C[Wildcard [11k\]: The SE gives white a few wery ustable points in the center, so it seems close lemuria [3d\]: s15 is the right move to play at that area lovepove dmwit [3k\]: Lovepove: I think black can do a much better invasion of that area than at s14. alexjhu [10k\]: why black doesn't wanna go r2 instead going p6 Lovepove [7k\]: I meant s14 for white lemuria [3d\]: or r17 yeah mafutrct [-\]: i strongly recommend to count yourself, you can already do that! Lovepove [7k\]: You can't trust SE anyway alexjhu [10k\]: e10 !!! ] ;B[gj]C[Dontpoke [?\]: aww man missed the first hundred moves >.< Javaness [2d\]: please, the SE has feelings too alexjhu [10k\]: SE? alexjhu [10k\]: SHE? mafutrct [-\]: e10 did not work Lovepove [7k\]: Does not change the fact that you can't trust it! Wildcard [11k\]: Score estimator alexjhu [10k\]: omg dmwit [3k\]: After e10, black can f10, then just extend along the f line as long as he wants. scurge [5d\]: focus on the game a bit -_-' can somebody explain K3 to me? alexjhu [10k\]: so many term Javaness [2d\]: you are the strongest player here scurge ;p Uberdude [3d?\]: scurge, yes Uberdude [3d?\]: k3 is bad Lovepove [7k\]: How would the r17 sequence go? weiqidevil [-\]: k3 seeks a base with good endgame possibilities scurge [5d\]: I have the strongest rank :) Doesnt mean i am the strongest :) Javaness [2d\]: am I the only one who wants to play T3? lemuria [3d\]: i guess its about the yose Uberdude [3d?\]: g10 feels wrong direction dmwit [3k\]: Lovepove: white r17, q17, s15, r16, s16, s17 or so brumla [5d?\]: but true is, that l3 seems like good shape, imagine playing elsewhere and white continuinhg there gblitz [1d\]: no i would play t3 also\\ lemuria [3d\]: makes s4 even more sente for b mafutrct [-\]: r17 will not at all be answered by q17 Wildcard [11k\]: Can black slide along the right side? scurge [5d\]: hmm black should play T4 brumla [5d?\]: so by this reasoning its definetely big Lovepove [7k\]: mhm thanks dmwit Javaness [2d\]: white is starting to think more ] ;W[ne]C[meuns [2k\]: t4 seems sente scurge [5d\]: hmm, maybe but i think l 3 is not so strong Javaness [2d\]: interesting, europeans seem to spend more time on the opening ] ;B[nd]C[Lovepove [7k\]: o15 doesn't seem to do much... ] ;W[me]C[lemuria [3d\]: maybe b will startwith q2 at lower right corner dmwit [3k\]: mafutrct: hum gblitz [1d\]: s4? brumla [5d?\]: l3 group is quite strong ] ;B[kf]C[lemuria [3d\]: that would make sense with k3 Uberdude [3d?\]: o15 induces w to defend his middle group i tihnk Uberdude [3d?\]: and strengthens q14 ] ;W[kg]C[mafutrct [-\]: intersting idea lemuria scurge [5d\]: i meant the move l3 brumla [5d?\]: anyway its strange... white took all the blacks teritory on the left, black gained like... nothing :) useless wall + white defended his big LL corner ] ;B[jd]C[Wildcard [11k\]: is the g15 unconditionally alive? Uberdude [3d?\]: k13 Uberdude [3d?\]: easy game for w brumla [5d?\]: should be scurge [5d\]: yea i feel the result on left was not very fair :) dmwit [3k\]: I think it would be verry difficult to kill g15 group. Uberdude [3d?\]: g10 and f8 Uberdude [3d?\]: dame brumla [5d?\]: I would be happy for white. but black seems like sayong "so what, you took all my teritory, I dont need it" :) XXXXXXXXX: w lead a lot Uberdude [3d?\]: what is w thinking about? maksymko [7k\]: b r10? Uberdude [3d?\]: m13 maybe? meuns [2k\]: m13 mafutrct [-\]: r10 is a bad idea, very small scale scurge [5d\]: I think white doesnt lead a lot... beelzebub6 [3d\]: j13holds it all together XXXXXXXXX: he does XXXXXXXXX: i counted w +32.5 mafutrct [-\]: well, at least state your count if you say that ~ monk316 [1k\]: maybe perfect place to count lemuria [3d\]: wq8 i guess ? Javaness [2d\]: I think white has a little more mafutrct [-\]: hm, no idea how you comt to this number, thought. dmwit [3k\]: XX: You mean you looked at SE? mafutrct [-\]: *though ] ;W[jh]C[XXXXXXXXX: no brumla [5d?\]: 32 is overcounted :) Wildcard [11k\]: cut out the center when counting, most of the time it's useless Javaness [2d\]: please detail your count XXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXX: how? Uberdude [3d?\]: XX, now i couint w + 37.5 meuns [2k\]: no need, he used se Uberdude [3d?\]: you too? ] ;B[ig] ;W[jg]C[beelzebub6 [3d\]: well b lost a lot on left with no compensation Javaness [2d\]: how much is black on top Javaness [2d\]: assign values to each of the 4 groups brumla [5d?\]: but definitely w leads + I dont see how black can turn the game scurge [5d\]: t4 q2 s14 s13 s15 r12 b5 evenst: m13 or n14 is probably a must now ] ;B[rf] ;W[rg]C[mishik [6k\]: B on top has still 3-3 open ] ;B[re]C[mishik [6k\]: argh :) Uberdude [3d?\]: w won't r12 surely Dontpoke [?\]: black so totally messed up his kobayashi setup >.< mishik [6k\]: not anymore :) scurge [5d\]: t3 now. Uberdude [3d?\]: yes t3 more likely mafutrct [-\]: did black judge t4 to be gote? ] ;W[sq]C[Wildcard [11k\]: The SE says f16 is dead... Sillines scurge [5d\]: ok, now it seems over mafutrct [-\]: or was he possibly looking at lemurias idea of q2? meuns [2k\]: maybe R17 bigger than T4 ] ;B[qh]C[scurge [5d\]: t4 sente so.. Uberdude [3d?\]: r17 gote though Uberdude [3d?\]: have to take chanec of trade Javaness [2d\]: I like this move brumla [5d?\]: this is somehow last weakness white has monk316 [1k\]: isn't k4 still sort of attackable Uberdude [3d?\]: just sacrifice Uberdude [3d?\]: not so big ] ;W[qg]C[lemuria [3d\]: i smell some disaster for b somewhere around the bottom meuns [2k\]: cumulated with R17, this seems nice ] ;B[ph]C[meuns [2k\]: fight ! Uberdude [3d?\]: ok, no sacrifice... Uberdude [3d?\]: seems unnecessary;t comlicated Javaness [2d\]: S11? Wildcard [11k\]: r12 equalizes some palapiku [8k?\]: K4 looks so lonely brumla [5d?\]: I think white was bored :) Uberdude [3d?\]: not really Uberdude [3d?\]: L2 just lives lemuria [3d\]: q8 . go :) Lavipere [10k?\]: is R11 a proper answer? monk316 [1k\]: b is the one trying to complicate things mafutrct [-\]: r11 is broken shape, i dont think its good dmwit [3k\]: R11 seems like a bad idea. ] ;W[pk]C[Lavipere [10k?\]: okay thanks ^^ BigDouNub: r11 rediculous lemuria [3d\]: close enough :p mafutrct [-\]: im glad bigdou never though about moves like r11 when he was 10k scurge [5d\]: wowQ9 is such a strong move meuns [2k\]: bigdounub is 17k... ^^ Lavipere [10k?\]: thank you meuns ^^ mafutrct [-\]: (thought*) Cero111 [?\]: why is q9 such a strong move? BigDouNub: "bohdan"="god given"? palapiku [8k?\]: yes ] ;B[rh]C[scurge [5d\]: it works well to attack s12 s8 l5 meuns [2k\]: b will be gote palapiku [8k?\]: cut!!! Lavipere [10k?\]: b can connect with T9 or T13 now right? palapiku [8k?\]: yes Gilmara [4k\]: w s9? beelzebub6 [3d\]: lokks like it if w s9 bt9 dmwit [3k\]: Lavipere: Yes, but the S9 cut is dangerous for black's life. arttle [4k\]: W S9? mafutrct [-\]: after s9 , w has s7 scurge [5d\]: hmm Maybe q9 wasnt good at all after all ^^" mafutrct [-\]: not sure if/how he can use that, though beelzebub6 [3d\]: not if bt9 Wildcard [11k\]: Black could always run for it into the center sutex [4k\]: PGEC, is it online as well??? Lavipere [10k?\]: dmwit: Thx I didn't see Wildcard [11k\]: If he wasn't how were the game to proceed? PGEC09CZ [?\]: eurogotv.com dmwit [3k\]: Wildcard: Perhaps he's physically present. sutex [4k\]: thx, already logged in;-))) scurge [5d\]: PGEC can you see ondrej silt's game? BigDouNub: HOW IS silt doing? PGEC09CZ [?\]: partially, O.S. is thining scurge [5d\]: ajajajaj :) BigDouNub: oh no, bad sign ] ;W[nh]C[Chilltime [2k\]: ouchi palapiku [8k?\]: that's bad, he should worry about his thickness Javaness [2d\]: is Ondrej chewing on a plastic spoon? Chilltime [2k\]: is b now ahead? :P PGEC09CZ [?\]: y, we have them for free (from sponsor) Javaness [2d\]: no I think white still slightly ahead Uberdude [3d?\]: how is this better for white than if r13 at q12? Javaness [2d\]: white will show us lemuria [3d\]: weird move... will w give up r14 if b t13 now ? ] ;B[oh]C[lemuria [3d\]: or anything ... PGEC09CZ [?\]: @javaness: thx for announcing Wildcard [11k\]: Eurogo TV should film from above sutex [4k\]: i can see silts face:-)) Javaness [2d\]: can I have a cookie? lemuria [3d\]: t12 and b gets five in a row Wildcard [11k\]: * Cookies for Javaness BigDouNub: lol lemu BigDouNub: b wins then! ] ;W[pe]C[Wildcard [11k\]: Seems equall Javaness [2d\]: I prefer black now, white seems to have lost it there sutex [4k\]: silt seems to be thinking hard, though its not his move ] ;B[sg]C[Wildcard [11k\]: one should always think hard if one are to move or not scurge [5d\]: waaa this move is slow! ] ;W[ni]C[Wildcard [11k\]: i does connect thought scurge [5d\]: he could have also connected at T9 la ter Wildcard [11k\]: he can tenuki meuns [2k\]: b have sente ! Sandmann [-\]: w t14 would have been sente ? scurge [5d\]: he should have hane at o11! BigDouNub: b reduced in sente? Javaness [2d\]: black should play like a squirrel, not like a man freq [2k\]: push and cut? scurge [5d\]: ya but even tough it is sent e it is ok no? Wildcard [11k\]: Java have you evr seen a squirrel play? BigDouNub: freq, no adult comments here please Sandmann [-\]: huh^^ ] ;B[nn]C[Wildcard [11k\]: What was that good for? BigDouNub: splitting Javaness [2d\]: black must be getting scared lemuria [3d\]: haven't seen a squirell play, but surely they know how to bite ] ;W[qd]C[Javaness [2d\]: these last 2 moves no kiai ] ;B[pc]C[palapiku [8k?\]: uh oh meuns [2k\]: humm meuns [2k\]: b misread ? JoostC [3d\]: white can make a lot of liberties in the corner Javaness [2d\]: white trying to play S9 ? ] ;W[sf] ;B[sh] ;W[rd] ;B[se]C[Sandmann [-\]: ah o6 defended against w q8 covering Javaness [2d\]: don't really understand Wildcard [11k\]: r16 has way to few liberties ] ;W[rk]C[Wildcard [11k\]: Can't black kil q14 ? XXXXXXXX: looks like w screwed up Javaness [2d\]: who is this XXXXXXXX guest? Sandmann [-\]: ukrainians hide their power until after fuseki sutex [4k\]: watching to much adult movies Wildcard [11k\]: I really have to play go on a real board sometime ] ;B[oi]C[JoostC [3d\]: white S7 is later dangerous for black XXXXXXXX: w in trouble ] ;W[nj]C[XXXXXXXX: stop it java lol JoostC [3d\]: I prefer white ] ;B[oj]C[Javaness [2d\]: this is fun Uberdude [3d?\]: i prefer white less than i did before he played r13 ] ;W[pl] ;B[rm]C[Uberdude [3d?\]: i'm waiting for the reason for that Uberdude [3d?\]: still don't see any magic in corner Javaness [2d\]: white used about 40 minutes, black about 48 arttle [4k\]: How much liberties have R16? Wildcard [11k\]: 3? arttle [4k\]: more i think dmwit [3k\]: 3 only if black moves first in the corner. lemuria [3d\]: this is an easy question lemuria [3d\]: its 3 ] ;W[nk]C[lizaa: bT1 sems ideal Wildcard [11k\]: p9 p8 o8 cut? arttle [4k\]: But if white play R18 or S18, R16 donesn't have 3 liberties XXXXXXXX: p9 lemuria [3d\]: if white play r18 then he still have 3 libs Javaness [2d\]: feels like white is playing chicken sutex [4k\]: u didnt ask about potentila in the corner, u asked how many liberties XXXXXXXX: cut and kill Javaness [2d\]: white gets some points in the middle now Wildcard [11k\]: not enough to compensate arttle [4k\]: hum... sutex [4k\]: i think whit ehas an evil plan upon his sleeves:-)) lizaa: bT1 should compensate more than enough AntiAdmin [1d?\]: not sure b can cut XXXXXXXX: no plan, he just made a mistake in the right side freq [2k\]: b n6? XXXXXXXX: now he has to pay arttle [4k\]: If w play R18 i count 5 liberties... Wildcard [11k\]: Black is toying with his stones mafutrct [-\]: no, its not 5 liberties Greyish [1d\]: if wr18 b s18 after r17 ] ;B[km]C[mafutrct [-\]: unless im misreadiny completely lemuria [3d\]: is w play r18 its 3 liberties Greyish [1d\]: w loses many libs in dame arttle [4k\]: hum okay arttle [4k\]: thanks lemuria [3d\]: s18 is better there XXXXXXXX: lol lizaa: bT1 will devastate W formation JoostC [3d\]: Because of T14 black needs an extra liberty at the outside ] ;W[bn]C[Wildcard [11k\]: sente for black XXXXXXXX: cut Javaness [2d\]: that move is huge isn't it Javaness [2d\]: I didn't notice ] ;B[ok] ;W[ol] ;B[nl] ;W[nm] ;B[ml] ;W[mm] ;B[ll] ;W[mn]C[Javaness [2d\]: but still some fun Wildcard [11k\]: loads of move happening fast now XXXXXXXX: lol gblitz [1d\]: n5? Javaness [2d\]: cut XXXXXXXX: b might die Larrave [4k\]: cut only chance Larrave [4k\]: or BigDouNub: w seems rather unwell Greyish [1d\]: i think w read far more than enough Wildcard [11k\]: W seems dead if cut, but black has few liberties XXXXXXXX: cut or resign Javaness [2d\]: seems dead is very different to dead sutex [4k\]: lol lemuria [3d\]: a ko ! :p ] ;B[mo] ;W[om] ;B[pn]C[Ikarium [5k\]: heh Wildcard [11k\]: the black group os at a shortage of liberties Javaness [2d\]: white only 6 libs mafutrct [-\]: so is w Trock [-\]: r16 s16 make a lot of sens now =X Greyish [1d\]: w has to s18 though.. seems hard but he has one of the best reading skills in this tournament.. ] ;W[sl]C[mafutrct [-\]: if w s18, b can "just" kill r9, no? Javaness [2d\]: surely no time to S18 Wildcard [11k\]: white wins this one, the r5 is dead Javaness [2d\]: ouch sutex [4k\]: now this is getting pretty interesting:-)) mafutrct [-\]: sequence, wildcard? :) BigDouNub: didn't black read this out? Javaness [2d\]: did black really die there? BigDouNub: surely 6ds can read out a straightforward life/death situations in a tourney ] ;B[sm]C[dmwit [3k\]: ko? dmwit [3k\]: yeah scurge [5d\]: t5 alexjhu [10k\]: t6 ] ;W[so]C[Javaness [2d\]: ai ai ai scurge [5d\]: r6 alexjhu [10k\]: lol ] ;B[qn]C[sutex [4k\]: oi oi oi ] ;W[sn] ;B[sk] ;W[sj] ;B[rj] ;W[sl]C[lemuria [3d\]: seems like b wont have threats Wildcard [11k\]: a ko lemuria [3d\]: seemingly ko lemuria [3d\]: but not really Javaness [2d\]: T4 local threat sutex [4k\]: lol...i told u, w has an evil plan:-)) lemuria [3d\]: yep, java Uberdude [3d?\]: omg, i leave to make lunch and this happens Larrave [4k\]: ^^ Larrave [4k\]: o4 Lovepove [7k\]: haha uber Larrave [4k\]: maybe JoostC [3d\]: White has a ko threat at T4 lemuria [3d\]: after T4 w has to s5, and then no threat can stop t7 Javaness [2d\]: M5 local threat too lemuria [3d\]: b has to * BigDouNub: t7 illegal movelemu ] ;B[lg]C[Wildcard [11k\]: B is dead :'( Rest in peace ] ;W[lh] ;B[sk] ;W[sp]C[soulangel [3d\]: nice move sutex [4k\]: this is huuuuuuge ] ;B[np] ;W[op]C[Larrave [4k\]: mh mafutrct [-\]: ? Larrave [4k\]: why o4 now mishik [6k\]: wasting a threat? soulangel [3d\]: lol this was threat AntiAdmin [1d?\]: to waste a threat... Kumin [9k\]: did he forget to take the ko ? dmwit [3k\]: not a threat scurge [5d\]: hmm should have played o 4 like thie previous ko threat lemuria [3d\]: it was force before dying Greyish [1d\]: he couldn't use it as threat anymore lemuria [3d\]: rule xenofhonto [8k\]: s6 and hope to win ko ] ;B[rn]C[Uberdude [3d?\]: kikahi before dying ] ;W[sl]C[BigDouNub: yes scurge Javaness [2d\]: fun fun sutex [4k\]: beautiful Wildcard [11k\]: that black group os worth alot emre35 [4d\]: o4 was bad Uberdude [3d?\]: well, now i go and cook the pasta sauce sutex [4k\]: not really, just a gamr Uberdude [3d?\]: when i get back L5 is dead? BigDouNub: didn't black read this before cutting ?? mishik [6k\]: l11 ] ;B[mg] ;W[ng] ;B[sk]C[Javaness [2d\]: PGEC09CZm can you ask the players to wait until uberdude returns? BigDouNub: no tesuji, all simple moves Uberdude [3d?\]: nono java Uberdude [3d?\]: i like the surprise Javaness [2d\]: oh ] (;W[si]C[sutex [4k\]: heh..ur meal is burned:-))) ]) (;W[lo] ;B[si]C[mishik [6k\]: :) mafutrct [-\]: that's blah, bigdou, to play simple moves implies that you are sure that there are no tesuji to be played ~ Larrave [4k\]: O.o Javaness [2d\]: fun fun Wildcard [11k\]: did black just survive Larrave [4k\]: wasnt t16 big too dmwit [3k\]: Wildcard: sure he did. Javaness [2d\]: black 55+ minutes, white 45 ] ;W[mp]C[dmwit [3k\]: Is it 60 minutes sudden death? ] ;B[lf]C[XXXXXXXX: w leads too much Wildcard [11k\]: the white group lives though Javaness [2d\]: no way is it sudden death dmwit [3k\]: good =) Greyish [1d\]: w might kill b center ] ;W[lj]C[gblitz [1d\]: j2? Javaness [2d\]: 60 min. basic time and byoyomi 15 moves/5 min. ] ;B[ir] ;W[hr]C[PGEC09CZ [?\]: b59' w47' ] ;B[jr] ;W[hs] ;B[im]C[Larrave [4k\]: in seong is kind^^ Larrave [4k\]: he could have massacred it allXD Larrave [4k\]: kidding;P mailing [-\]: l6 ko Javaness [2d\]: game is not over yet JoostC [3d\]: close ereere: if close it means W+more than 10 ...... ] ;W[hi]C[scurge [5d\]: w leads by 10 + lemuria [3d\]: its only close for SE ^^ XXXXXXXX: i count w.20.5 ] ;B[eo]C[huffle [1d\]: p14 10 points XXXXXXXX: w+ ] ;W[co] ;B[cm] ;W[bm] ;B[gq]C[lemuria [3d\]: fun! Fratloev [4k\]: p14 10 points, how ? bohica [5k\]: p14 5 points ] ;W[fq]C[dmwit [3k\]: Once again, you agree perfectly with SE, once again undermining my opinion of your count. bohica [5k\]: n16 group bohica [5k\]: 15 PGEC09CZ [?\]: B byoyomi, w49' huffle [1d\]: ok 5 points Larrave [4k\]: p14 no points at all tornemhi [1k\]: do this games have handicap? Wildcard [11k\]: whats up with the g3 invasion, can it succsed? Javaness [2d\]: no JoostC [3d\]: black e4 better at C4? ] ;B[hq] ;W[gr]C[XXXXXXXX: lol ] ;B[go] ;W[gp] ;B[fo] ;W[mr] ;B[ij] ;W[jj]C[Wildcard [11k\]: nice, the two dead stones made territory in center ] ;B[ii] ;W[ih] ;B[jk]C[Wildcard [11k\]: Its close ] ;W[kk] ;B[ji] ;W[ki] ;B[kj] ;W[hj] ;B[hk] ;W[jj]C[XXXXXXXX: b cant fight this ko lemuria [3d\]: time for k6 for w i guess ] ;B[bl] ;W[bj]C[mishik [6k\]: c18? lemuria [3d\]: and game over ] ;B[kj] ;W[md] ;B[mc] ;W[jj]C[huffle [1d\]: p14 ] ;B[ik]C[huffle [1d\]: getting bigger ] ;W[jn]C[Javaness [2d\]: ai ai ai XXXXXXXX: lol Larrave [4k\]: p14 is even a point? Wildcard [11k\]: k6 ouch ] ;B[is] ;W[lr]C[minismurf [-\]: game over Wildcard [11k\]: game over Fratloev [4k\]: p14 ? I don't think so : p14, p15, o14, p13, N14, Q13 XXXXXXXX: w was leading anyway PGEC09CZ [?\]: B resigns Wildcard [11k\]: they are disccusing the board right now Javaness [2d\]: thank you PGEC09CZ sutex [4k\]: thx gokoro [2d?\]: thx scurge [5d\]: look at ondrej silts board please please please and thanks for broadcasting Wildcard [11k\]: Thanks for letting us watch monk316 [1k\]: what does w play as on kgs? XXXXXXXX: no PGEC09CZ [?\]: silt in byoyomi scurge [5d\]: oops :( PGEC09CZ [?\]: at board 2 Beo [1k\]: jak hraje Ondra s Artemem? Jadeite [?\]: monk316, crowis Beo [1k\]: Jak hraje Ondra s Artemem? PGEC09CZ [?\]: to Beo: Pry nic moc (Pisa a Pal) cbus [17k\]: will there be any more games today? PGEC09CZ [?\]: presuneme kameru na Ondrovu desku sutex [4k\]: jjjj sutex [4k\]: supr monk316 [1k\]: oh thanks jadete Beo [1k\]: super, díky Jadeite [?\]: :) scurge [5d\]: :( diky za ingo scurge [5d\]: info sutex [4k\]: uz se nese Blubbel [9k\]: are those pros? Uberdude [3d?\]: haha i get back from cooking lunch Uberdude [3d?\]: and L5 is dead Uberdude [3d?\]: like i predicted PGEC09CZ [?\]: Ondra prohral o 4,5 bodu Javaness [2d\]: Ondrej won? Javaness [2d\]: google won't translate prohal :) ]))