(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[4500]OT[30/600 Canadian]
GN[Vienna 2013 Board 1 round 3]PW[Jan Hora]PB[Seok-bin Cho]WR[6d]BR[8d]DT[2013-06-15]PC[Vienna, Austria]US[HW9x9]C[hvk [-\]: HI
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;B[pp]
;W[dd]
;B[dq]
;W[pd]C[Sakeus [7k\]: video?
]
;B[co]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes
]
;W[jq]
;B[qf]
;W[nq]
;B[lq]
;W[no]
;B[qn]C[LeT [-\]: well, its time for a surprise result
]
;W[pr]
;B[qq]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
]
;W[pi]
;B[kp]C[backpack1 [2d\]: wow the stream is really laggy... :/ but thanks anyway
]
;W[jp]
;B[kn]
;W[jo]
;B[ko]C[Mitani92 [3d\]: did cho just become 8d? o.O
KoReNJe [3d\]: hi
zongzi [2k?\]: white already weak shapes
]
;W[nm]
;B[jn]
;W[in]
;B[im]
;W[hm]
;B[hn]
;W[io]
;B[il]C[workforce [2d\]: h6 cannot be captured
zum [2d?\]: sometimes it can
zum [2d?\]: it depends on the game
workforce [2d\]: how?
Barrier [2d?\]: bin for president, woo woo
Barrier [2d?\]: go bin go
]
;W[gn]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: sorry for the streamquality
Renovate [-\]: Some Campaign 
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: it only works by a trick
DesMites [5k\]: trick ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: does the sound work now?
Abra [4k\]: nope
WVoron [5d\]: results?
]
;B[ho]C[Abra [4k\]: oh i hear stones played
Guoyl [7k?\]: sound works for me
Abra [4k\]: me to now
WVoron [5d\]: results page?
kmr [1d\]: black seems to have been promoted to 8d during tournamenet gratz
gutzman [6k\]: eurogo who plays at board 4 and 5?
tymak [2k\]: Hora beat Silt in last round?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: board 4 Dinerchtein vs Lin
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 5: Shikshin vs Burzo
SirEttin [1d\]: is w calculating if the ladder works or not
gutzman [6k\]: thx:)
gutzman [6k\]: how burzo looks? confident?:D
zum [2d?\]: nobody broadcasting Shik vs Burzo
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: only first 4 boards in this room
workforce [2d\]: w will squeeze at g4 now
zum [2d?\]: we want to see Burzo squeezed
workforce [2d\]: b gets h7 in this process
gutzman [6k\]: oh,ok thx once again
anton007 [1d\]: w lol
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
SirEttin [1d\]: lookd like w misread the ladder
zum [2d?\]: is there a streaming of Cornels game?
anton007 [1d\]: g3 
GoldRoger7 [2d\]: stream seems to be in slow motion, not required in a go game i think :)
]
;W[gq]
;B[go]
;W[eq]C[workforce [2d\]: in the steam it looks like its hot in there
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: lol
workforce [2d\]: cho has 2 litre bottle there
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: it is hot
]
;B[dp]C[gutzman [6k\]: imagine how much heat can 8 brains make
GoShinobi [-\]: just terrible for w 
workforce [2d\]: doesnt look like consistent play for w
workforce [2d\]: with g6 w wanted to squeeze
workforce [2d\]: but then he switched
GoldRoger7 [2d\]: the other cam don't work ?
GoldRoger7 [2d\]: doesn't*
workforce [2d\]: it e3 was the plan then he would not exchange g6 vs h5 first
Thoravatar [4d\]: steam typically is hot
martin3141 [-\]: looks like white is at a disadvantage here
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: stream is rebooting
Kirlim [2k\]: eurogotv
]
;W[fo]
;B[gm]
;W[fn]C[gutzman [6k\]: did someone tryed to calculate the price for food and accomodation for the period of this tournament?
]
;B[hl]C[Kirlim [2k\]: my life became so much happier after they started the service
]
;W[dn]
;B[pk]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ^^
AntiHero [4k\]: tough game for w
]
;W[nk]
;B[of]
;W[nd]
;B[oj]C[Reach1ng [14k\]: is the ranking for player correct?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes
Klor [1k\]: it was 7d last round
]
;W[kl]C[Reach1ng [14k\]: why is like 6d white but 8d b?
]
;B[ll]C[Renovate [-\]: b has a lot of insidious moves
KoF [4k\]: tournament nigiri
GoldRoger7 [2d\]: even game
gutzman [6k\]: m7 
]
;W[lk]
;B[ml]C[gutzman [6k\]: i thought m7 l7 m6 ,table shape for w
Kirlim [2k\]: usually all tournament games are played as even games
Kirlim [2k\]: if you're a few stone weaker, you have to trust in the heart of the stones
]
;W[lm]C[Surrounded [2d\]: w wants to trick?
Kirlim [2k\]: feels like sabaki
]
;B[km]
;W[pm]
;B[qm]
;W[kk]C[gutzman [6k\]: q7  ptotects a cut but made opponent to take cash,rite?
Fifouu [3d\]: it seems so
]
;B[oi]C[backpack1 [2d\]: b is waaay ahead
]
;W[mm]
;B[mj]
;W[mk]
;B[cn]C[zum [2d?\]: c6 gianormous
]
;W[dl]C[workforce [2d\]: there was a chance for w to attack first around f9
workforce [2d\]: with a chance to later get left side by a block at c6
workforce [2d\]: but now this is gone
]
;B[hq]C[LeT [-\]: problems started with Q11, which is now almost useless
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
bentop [1k\]: ko?
]
;W[hr]
;B[fp]C[kokoroco: hi eurogo
kokoroco: are you harry?
kokoroco: harry is fun
kokoroco: :D
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i am harry, i dont know about fun
kokoroco: are you harry?
kokoroco: :o
hitaus [4k?\]: I really like sacrificing M8 to get Q11 in sente
kokoroco: heh
blackstorm [3k\]: well harry is fun means fun equals harry :)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: are you a VIP-member?
kokoroco: hahah
blackstorm [3k\]: sry
]
;W[ep]C[kokoroco: :-(
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: then i dont talk to you
kokoroco: i was watching a video of harry, with murugandi, then he said, but this is just 1pt how the hell is bigggg i liked it haha
WVoron [5d\]: f3...
WVoron [5d\]: or e5
WVoron [5d\]: better
kokoroco: still doing more videos with murugandi?
kokoroco: it helps alot 
]
;B[eo]C[WVoron [5d\]: g4 e7
kokoroco: hmm i got totally ignored
Fabiano [1d\]: is the webcam skipping lots of frames?
martin3141 [-\]: this is beautiful play by black
kokoroco: woa milan milan is here
Surrounded [2d\]: w is cut
kokoroco: the day of the pros
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: the camera is only working properly for VIP-members
]
;W[fq]C[kokoroco: -_-
]
;B[em]C[Surrounded [2d\]: oh, e7
bentop [1k\]: h4
kokoroco: milanmilan, can you comment a bit on this game for us meere mortals?
kokoroco: thanks
nq874vnb48 [1d\]: dude you write too much
LeT [-\]: only for VIP´s
kokoroco: this thing with vips is annoying me
kokoroco: >.>
]
;W[cg]
;B[lc]C[kokoroco: vip vip vip vip
]
;W[nf]
;B[oe]C[plscomment: milanmilan, check my nickname
plscomment: he just get out
]
;W[od]
;B[ic]
;W[qe]
;B[rf]C[zum [2d?\]: no wonder
plscomment: soon the world cup soccer japan will be playing
plscomment: 48 minutes left
]
;W[re]C[crowis [-\]: go~ Seok-bin~
]
;B[cc]
;W[cd]
;B[dc]
;W[ec]
;B[eb]
;W[fb]
;B[fc]
;W[ed]C[plscomment: link please
]
;B[gb]
;W[db]
;B[fa]
;W[cb]
;B[hp]C[plscomment: so laggy
plscomment: i think my internet is bad
plscomment: i will call my provider brb
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: problem is here
ThaElf [2d?\]: Wasn't it without VIP you will see photo shooting by slow cameraman?
plscomment: ehh
backpack1 [2d\]: plscomment ur kokoroco right ?
plscomment: ok
SIscurge [5d\]: When I played against cho seok, I played the top left joseki for white. After the game he told me not to play it, that usually its bad :)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ^^
bentop [1k\]: J2
plscomment: i would be a vip
plscomment: eurogo is good
plscomment: good videos
zum [2d?\]: this aint usually
backpack1 [2d\]: ignored ^^
Mech91 [1d\]: g1
]
;W[jr]C[plscomment: who is jan hora on kgs nickname
]
;B[ci]C[Lukan [6d\]: he doesnt play on kgs
plscomment: where does he play
Lukan [6d\]: WBaduk usually
plscomment: nice
plscomment: and tygem?
Lukan [6d\]: probably not
]
;W[pg]
;B[pf]C[plscomment: i think i must download wbaduk
plscomment: too
]
;W[nh]C[Thus [3d\]: wbaduk worst of all
]
;B[ph]C[plscomment: is it so bad?
Fabiano [1d\]: wbaduk is better thank kgs
Fabiano [1d\]: than*
backpack1 [2d\]: wBaduk>KGS
TheThe [5k\]: wbaduk is boring
plscomment: why
plscomment: bad players?
bentop [1k\]: b is leading
Fabiano [1d\]: many more players to play with
TheThe [5k\]: boring
Fabiano [1d\]: besides you get to play vs koreans, chinese and japanese style
TheThe [5k\]: boring
TheThe [5k\]: no chat
Turok [3d?\]: doke doke doke
plscomment: i am downloading wbaduk
plscomment: for check
AutoAtari [1d\]: all I remember about wbaduk is that a few years ago they sent me like 20000 spam emails inviting me to register or something, and when I checked it out, the registration form asked for full home address, phone number, mother's maiden name, size of panties, etc. etc.
]
;W[di]
;B[dj]C[plscomment: lol
Turok [3d?\]: don't make up an lies
Turok [3d?\]: they couldn't provide a box big enough to contain that number
AutoAtari [1d\]: har har
]
;W[cj]C[plscomment: piratebox
s1p3: any way to win for b?
s1p3: I mean w
AutoAtari [1d\]: he could perform a nuclear tesuji
plscomment: tygem or wbaduk? 
plscomment: wich one is better?
]
;B[bc]
;W[bb]
;B[dh]
;W[ei]
;B[ch]
;W[ej]C[Ryton [6k\]: KGS :p
]
;B[dk]C[Starfire [2d\]: res
AutoAtari [1d\]: huh, I still have their reply
zongzi [2k?\]: is it seok-bin's wife?
bentop [1k\]: strong move
Turok [3d?\]: tygem is better if you just mean in terms of player base
AutoAtari [1d\]: "We plan to hold online tournaments, so we will need to know the information for awarding."
Turok [3d?\]: as far as software goes wbaduk and tygem are pretty close in terms of awful
zum [2d?\]: do they award panties?
Turok [3d?\]: *awfulness
Fabiano [1d\]: yes
]
;W[ck]C[Fabiano [1d\]: the KGS client is the best as features go
plscomment: kgs is stopped 
plscomment: x|
Turok [3d?\]: the teaching tools are awful and awkwards to use on the asian servers
Fabiano [1d\]: the horrible problem of KGS client is that the stones and goban are the ugliest out there
Turok [3d?\]: set it to untextured
]
;B[ek]
;W[eh]C[plscomment: tygem is very polished
]
;B[dg]C[Turok [3d?\]: makes a world of difference
plscomment: x|
Fabiano [1d\]: ive it on untextured
plscomment: i love textures
Turok [3d?\]: only if they are good textures
plscomment: omg i find a duck on wbaduk
Thus [3d\]: fabiano, i think the exact opposite
Thus [3d\]: i think the stones and goban here are the most beatiful
Fabiano [1d\]: GoPanda2 is the most beautiful goban/stones
bentop [1k\]: looks b wins
Thus [3d\]: the problem is all the rest
plscomment: gopanda2 is terrible designed
plscomment: can't find menus easily
Surrounded [2d\]: untextured, are you mad?
Turok [3d?\]: the thing I like about untextured is that it's like looking at a problem diagram
Turok [3d?\]: nice and perfect
Surrounded [2d\]: this is ugly!
]
;W[el]
;B[fk]C[Fabiano [1d\]: still better than textured :)
plscomment: we should have some client for kgs instead of that java app
Turok [3d?\]: it makes it easier for my mind to grok this dumb game
plscomment: ;-)
pensivedog [?\]: w got to be real careful here
Surrounded [2d\]: w already cooked
Fabiano [1d\]: I think w lost already
]
;W[en]C[JesusTeAma [3k\]: best goban is the most awesome goban :)
JesusTeAma [3k\]: and visual efects too
Turok [3d?\]: everyone knows Seok-bin is more POWERFUL than Jan Hora
JesusTeAma [3k\]: X)
zum [2d?\]: c7
JesusTeAma [3k\]: fly ordie
Turok [3d?\]: Clearly FLYORDIE has the best goban textures
plscomment: real man don't play on kgs, they joke on kgs and play on tygem. check yourself for milanmilan or seokbin, play 1 game on kgs for fun, and the rest of the week on tygem 
Turok [3d?\]: if you're 12
]
;B[cl]C[TheThe [5k\]: if you don't like texture just change the setting
Fabiano [1d\]: yea, kgs is for screwing around a bit
Turok [3d?\]: I'll tell you what client has the finest goban textures
Fabiano [1d\]: not for serious gaming
plscomment: i will remove texture of my kgs for get problem on my eyes due to the high brightnes
]
;W[cm]C[Turok [3d?\]: Panda Tetsuki on the ipad
pensivedog [?\]: C7!
]
;B[bl]
;W[bm]C[Turok [3d?\]: too bad the android version sucks
pensivedog [?\]: B7!
Turok [3d?\]: and really the GUI of the program is awful
ThaElf [2d?\]: Be happy there is even android version...
plscomment: i like tygem for ipad
]
;B[bj]C[ThaElf [2d?\]: Gee... No one is happy with atleast HAVING something :P
pensivedog [?\]: F7!
Turok [3d?\]: daulf I am happy to have KGS on the android
Turok [3d?\]: too bad it doesn't have custom game posting ability
Turok [3d?\]: I have to wait ten times longer to get a game at the time settings I like because of that single omission
jyka [2k\]: w bad
Fabiano [1d\]: best of the world: KGS functionalities + GoPanda2 goban + Tygem community
JesusTeAma [3k\]: and what about the new version of kgs bulding in html5 ? 
JesusTeAma [3k\]: how it goes ?
AutoAtari [1d\]: I think kgs sucks, but it's currently the only server in the world worth using
Turok [3d?\]: it's pretty sad really
Ritm [3k\]: new version of kgs? really?
pensivedog [?\]: KGS is best for watching games and chatting, but tygem better for playing
pensivedog [?\]: KGS also best for review
Turok [3d?\]: tygem is literally only better for playing because it has more players
it [-\]: please let this 10000th version of this discussion end here and come back to the game
]
;W[al]
;B[bk]C[pensivedog [?\]: F7!!
Turok [3d?\]: next move white to resign
AutoAtari [1d\]: is it such a popular topic?
pensivedog [?\]: w doing alright
Fabiano [1d\]: w still has a shot
Lukan [6d\]: only chance is to try to kill the corner
]
;W[bp]C[Fabiano [1d\]: if he manages to kill now
Fabiano [1d\]: maybe mr. seokbin made a mistake
SirEttin [1d\]: no
SirEttin [1d\]: not possible
whoops [3d?\]: seok-bin doesn't make mistakes
]
;B[bq]C[Lukan [6d\]: of course he does
SirEttin [1d\]: b is omniscient..
whoops [3d?\]: but no blundes
whoops [3d?\]: *blunders
Lukan [6d\]: all players even pros make errors
Turok [3d?\]: even sedol makes blunders
Lukan [6d\]: sure
AutoAtari [1d\]: he makes opponent's mistakes
Fabiano [1d\]: he seems either bored or kinda worried on the stream
pensivedog [?\]: B is pro?
whoops [3d?\]: don't b so literal you guys
Turok [3d?\]: I don't read
AutoAtari [1d\]: not pro, but strong like one
]
;W[cr]C[JesusTeAma [3k\]: where is the stream Fabiano ?
Fabiano [1d\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
JesusTeAma [3k\]: tx
Nonooo [1k\]: SE OP now
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: only trolls may watch the stream
]
;B[dr]C[SirEttin [1d\]: who is the girl 
pensivedog [?\]: C3!
Surrounded [2d\]: c3 b2
pensivedog [?\]: c3 b2 b1
JesusTeAma [3k\]: what movie is that in the add before strea start ?
JesusTeAma [3k\]: seems pretty good 
Fabiano [1d\]: every person get different ads
backpack1 [2d\]: the asian girls is cho`s gf btw
backpack1 [2d\]: girl*
SirEttin [1d\]: how strong is she
JesusTeAma [3k\]: maybe some one here watch the same that I saw
enfamil [3d\]: ko?
pensivedog [?\]: aw nuts
pensivedog [?\]: I can't figure this out
Turok [3d?\]: Is that guy drinking a beer?
Turok [3d?\]: the dude standing there
backpack1 [2d\]: eurogotv how much time have the players left ?
Koffein [-\]: yes, beer
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: white 13 bl 57 minutes left
zum [2d?\]: 5 beers left each
SirEttin [1d\]: wow
AutoAtari [1d\]: haha, b not even breaking a sweat
JesusTeAma [3k\]: wow, that girl look to you bro 
JesusTeAma [3k\]: :)
]
;W[aq]C[pensivedog [?\]: ko
KoReNJe [3d\]: b appears to be dead
SirEttin [1d\]: dead
Koffein [-\]: "that girl" is cho's wife
Turok [3d?\]: Eddard
whoops [3d?\]: Ko
pensivedog [?\]: B5 makes ko
zum [2d?\]: if w kills unconditionally, game close
Turok [3d?\]: well isn't he just Mister Lucky
SirEttin [1d\]: is she japanese
Fabiano [1d\]: man, only 1 slip and might cost him the whole game
whoops [3d?\]: I wish In-Seong was at the tournament :/
pensivedog [?\]: a3 really nice
zum [2d?\]: amazing how few people care about the game
manofearth [?\]: what kindof girl/wife r u talking about, Koffein
crowis [-\]: Hi :-)
pensivedog [?\]: that's the kind of move that's hard to think of
glasszee [3k\]: is this the tournament sedol lost?
it [-\]: hi in seong
]
;B[br]C[whoops [3d?\]: Well hello :D
crowis [-\]: I tried to come but couldn't make time for it because of my Go school work :-p
whoops [3d?\]: Are you still in Switzerland atm?
crowis [-\]: I'm in France :-)
zum [2d?\]: b alive
crowis [-\]: Hi 'it' by the way^^;
whoops [3d?\]: aww man. I hoped I'd get to see you again before you left
glasszee [3k\]: it's an admin?
crowis [-\]: I may become one of official French Go teacher from this July.
Turok [3d?\]: Why crowis and not clovis?
crowis [-\]: By the way, game was very good for Black since beginning.
zum [2d?\]: cro: you pro?
bert [4d?\]: yes it is, glass
]
;W[ar]
;B[cs]C[SirEttin [1d\]: oooo ko
crowis [-\]: I hope I can make time to play with Seok-bin soon! :-)
whoops [3d?\]: very good for france,  a big loss for Switzerland ;)
glasszee [3k\]: w must e2?
zum [2d?\]: no ko
]
;W[bo]C[zum [2d?\]: b simply alive
gnarf [1d\]: it would be great!
crowis [-\]: No, I'll stay as Swiss Official teacher as well :-p 
]
;B[er]
;W[fr]
;B[es]C[Surrounded [2d\]: no kidding? where in France, if i may ask?
SirEttin [1d\]: oooo maybe w plundered
whoops [3d?\]: well that's awesome :D Zürich or Geneva/Lausanne?
crowis [-\]: Grenoble
backpack1 [2d\]: thats it
glasszee [3k\]: c4 kinda big
nohones [1d\]: sente alive
Surrounded [2d\]: Grenoble? but they're already too strong over there. come to paris instead!
]
;W[fd]
;B[do]C[SirEttin [1d\]: why sente?
nohones [1d\]: because of this
crowis [-\]: By the way, this game since beginning, White played many overplays which is very 'unusual'.
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B+R
glasszee [3k\]: wow
SirEttin [1d\]: ooo
glasszee [3k\]: he didnt c4
it [-\]: thanks, harry
crowis [-\]: Haha Grenoble will become the best team ever :-)
pensivedog [?\]: what?
Turok [3d?\]: Well, "the girl" sure is smiling like he's won
Fabiano [1d\]: ah gg
crowis [-\]: Hi Harry, thanks for your great work!
crowis [-\]: the girl is Seok-bin's wife
plscomment: thx eurogo
plscomment: btw why is the camera lagging?
Turok [3d?\]: yeah crowis I know
crowis [-\]: they married about 2 years ago.
Turok [3d?\]: it was a joke from earileir
Turok [3d?\]: *earlier
pensivedog [?\]: w almost had something
AutoAtari [1d\]: nice of her to attend :)
glasszee [3k\]: g4
glasszee [3k\]: ?
gnarf [1d\]: thx Eurogo
whoops [3d?\]: "almost" doesn't win games. Seok-Bin is a hard player to beat :)
crowis [-\]: Seok-bin has been winning nearly 10 tournaments in a low
plscomment: row* ?
zum [2d?\]: no
crowis [-\]: after merriage, it's probably because of the power of the love :-)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: thx all for waomorrow morningtching, i hope the internet problems will be solved t
crowis [-\]: Yes *row;
zum [2d?\]: in a high he's winning 50
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: hope to see you soon In-seong
crowis [-\]: Hi Harry! Me too!
plscomment: jan hora feels a bit angry
plscomment: :p
zum [2d?\]: they have to put the stones back themselves??
plscomment: yes
zum [2d?\]: no cleaning lady?
Turok [3d?\]: Hey In-seong thanks for being one of the cool guys
plscomment: too much money zum
zum [2d?\]: outrageous
crowis [-\]: my pleasure!
blotter [23k?\]: i like the people on kgs
plscomment: thx blotter
plscomment: i like you too
Turok [3d?\]: blotter I will make you hard like steel
zum [2d?\]: can someone move the watch?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no
whoops [3d?\]: can you tell us when the first round will be starting tomorrow?
zum [2d?\]: then whats the point of streaming this?
blotter [23k?\]: i play chess and backgammon
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: to irritate all non vip-members
crowis [-\]: Btw, Harry, greetings to Judith!
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: thx, you to Semi
crowis [-\]: Thanks!
bentop [1k\]: b wins?
whoops [3d?\]: yeah, B+R
Falcon89 [2k?\]: B strong, 8d
JesusTeAma [3k\]: what id decided to play c4 ?
JesusTeAma [3k\]: *if
JesusTeAma [3k\]: w I meen
queenchess [2k\]:  
queenchess [2k\]: time
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